From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package initialization Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:42:34 +1000 Message-ID: <874mksq24l.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87twt1dmxu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21931.51113.826895.663216@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21932.20274.646021.600004@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21933.57277.184994.975734@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437799376 4440 80.91.229.3 (25 Jul 2015 04:42:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 04:42:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 25 06:42:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIrIQ-0007uV-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 06:42:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47184 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIrIP-0002I0-Ev for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55287) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIrIM-0002Hs-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:42:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIrII-0004O4-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:42:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::235]:34270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIrII-0004Nl-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:42:42 -0400 Original-Received: by pdbbh15 with SMTP id bh15so22885104pdb.1 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:42:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=PM9A1od+Ivw4Tz9jIe4dFDAHE5EI6Mdqcr/tFFwAqfA=; b=AypxgIXJv4NR+2g7wB48VRG8cS+k63ApIPlTy35eXzNwlSyY8H3jOIaeE+G3jBprTV UB7MgZBmDVx3wA48U3VTVzPEqeAHCfhkFyKFhaRIyVv40s+1OWAIjv/0HoJvY93WGr4u 1KgdXjpKYl11u1pg3zyIASz78OJW1+4wVSS/HY+K7FK/tp3ATQ38QC6BbVb163HJxLqd V/gf3qsNvGft2TK9IeO3LSTleXZ0PX5T2FxTTevE7wsKLTWxQIcxzuZnltZn4OizdlIB Nbw7pDCXrl0uQnoc0ZuCC94lgy+3NDVRJt84vgkWiqfxcXCLWd0V2TDWH4/2L2qqv2/V Q6tQ== X-Received: by 10.70.43.72 with SMTP id u8mr38989738pdl.33.1437799361099; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (CPE-58-161-15-29.cqqy2.win.bigpond.net.au. [58.161.15.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ca13sm17430699pac.25.2015.07.24.21.42.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:42:39 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188055 Archived-At: Helmut Eller writes: > I think it's also more natural to enable all of SLIME's keys in > lisp-mode-hook, even if there's no connection yet, rather than > as side effect of creating the first connection. As the maintainer of one of the modes for PicoLisp: https://github.com/flexibeast/picolisp-mode i would really prefer that SLIME didn't assume that it's the only derivative of lisp-mode. This assumption already has to be worked around: https://github.com/flexibeast/picolisp-mode#note-slime There would be further problems if SLIME were to decide to impose its keybindings on all lisp-mode derivatives. i think it's perfectly reasonable for a user to want to make use of SLIME alongside other lisp-mode derivatives - a user might want to use SLIME when programming in CL, but a PicoLisp mode when programming in PicoLisp. Please don't enable all of SLIME's keys in lisp-mode-hook. Alexis.