From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add prettify symbols to python-mode Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:35:10 +0200 Message-ID: <874mik6wqp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <1442777283-27514-1-git-send-email-mvoteiza@udel.edu> <20150921005306.GA29147@holos> <87h9mlwt6l.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83bnctliay.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443083734 927 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2015 08:35:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Achim Gratz , Emacs-devel To: Xue Fuqiao Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 24 10:35:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf201-000470-6M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:35:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53722 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf200-00047L-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:35:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54471) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf1zm-00046w-SE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf1zm-0002Pc-3k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:35:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48722) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf1zk-0002Oz-1L; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34308 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf1zj-0002ws-5c; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7FE03DF509; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:35:10 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Xue Fuqiao's message of "Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:06:24 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190324 Archived-At: Xue Fuqiao writes: > BTW, I was just trying making an analysis of the this problem, and of > course my analysis could be wrong. Do you have any idea why newcomers > mostly prefer working on application-level code in Lisp? In my opinion that's a feature, not a bug. Elisp is there for a reason. > (Let's try and stay constructive. If we can find the causes, then we > have the possibility to improve the current condition.) We have Elisp exactly in order not to have to address problems by reverting to C programming. In my opinion it is entirely the wrong idea to have people start solving problems in C because they prefer it to Elisp. The main reason to solve problems in C is because there is no reasonably workable solution to be created in Elisp. If beginners turn to C first, they will not even know whether there would be a reasonably workable solution available in Elisp. Elisp code can be debugged reasonably nicely, manages its memory and data structures reliably. It's concise, memory-efficient and expressive. -- David Kastrup