From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Display of Lao script Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:14:03 +0200 Message-ID: <874lqyvg78.fsf@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1508195701 25753 195.159.176.226 (16 Oct 2017 23:15:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 17 01:14:54 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e4Eav-00052l-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:14:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35581 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4Eb0-00054C-PI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:14:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4EaN-000546-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4EaI-00027I-1a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:55451) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4EaH-00026V-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rosalinde ([83.135.1.202]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3NEK-1dDe1u1WgS-00r2YX for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:14:06 +0200 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9PjPwejJJlgMzyoEiI/TCovANEctbj4fjHLOkJkOzRluS2X4qbk LheLEFtsGS6zQU1ZSXzrzdeSbYFDOMCh41R+5RJwCjMRY1nTHlvbeNMODcxCRBelksiNUwy T3Ef66/4sPyJk3t66dFFjiEbwvQmoSop+DQxfhM9kwinR8xjEevcf80D5doO3U53Fw1+/+k +o3pCQ+jxVH1HCjUDM9Rg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:EoY9LiKhGHI=:g6o+8tVGBCq/kQyip5iuJo DXYDmauOOIRV9PcGNG6L9HNCAVUatLMPTC4bzUNfZVzg8pKvncCCLhHGVRGBY5W1lsZRG/NZ5 XgAgz1tz+RcpXq1sRq2kQSx3prF8CbzWlp+hWJYcK5aB/TASy7O4cxbr8bqoGwfefQAxeJ4UI f5Qz70Y2P8vmexO9jGLX5CRU4YhJ7RF0P63U+xabaXj5ROj79T44xae7fPo5xVKPRfgDGpUP0 tLL+htxxJRgzcpm78xRMSDtxTSlmpHw9rhcji4uWpO8fBGE1wh0d/d5J1ACV6mXftWwNHkuHi EdIGaa4XwgARnjYDQRL/fX4O4cYkR4rATIswI9J27+M3x52ypUKFTXympIV8+ZEwtAc1vz77r 5XgLe3JRUg+Or25rKCDiiCA+D+TVBVrE7gFzdPfId0pHbCxk10Xe1Gs3KVnKNensKjAdVSNzO CNfiCHXdD5XgRCJ2CJj5ZfMbnqAmvPWDlMuL/RH3fTLrvfDbFq9lS/nDocMRD18vdaORwnEq/ iyLgo+m1/jw4vi/VqDbgxXFTaxoLoP/aRbpTn3IJnK3Le2qSM/NZtj1cC9Y7Vd8eyv2BvRbRL KkPu+K6g2yfqncpI8jcVo/ldIsgzXj6srETKRBnxp+sg8gUiVZxKbq+FLIUoKE+hJsvq93ayB c1zQtzDja1sE1YdoCdzrHRfY+0yqPAp/33m5PuXu28ZwIq0O5L4RKMB0jcJCyoED9eF24q6DA T2rLY3fag3T6at9KVUdZXHp8Ecgx5WPLDkJWRrC/oZEzy2UThpeBQ8Iu6WJUPsI9VB35UvZh X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219594 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I had Emacs (built from current master) on a system on which the m17n and otf libraries were not installed; after installing these libraries I rebuilt Emacs and noticed that the example of Lao script in the HELLO file looks different than it does without these libraries. 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I'm not familiar with the Lao script, so I don't know if one of the displays is wrong, though this quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_alphabet seems to suggest that either way is possible: "Vowels can be written above, below, in front of, or behind consonants, with some vowel combinations written before, over and after." This is m17n-lib-1.7.0 and libotf-0.9.13 from http://www.nongnu.org/m17n/, which are AFAIK the latest released versions (there's a patch for Bengali in etc/PROBLEMS, but I don't know of any problem report about Lao). (Regardless if what's correct, my aesthetic impression is that the first display, without m17n and libotf, looks better; however, I do know that the Arabic example in HELLO is correctly displayed only with these libraries). Steve Berman --=-=-=--