From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fix some tooltip related problems Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:40:20 +0100 Message-ID: <874lnrfp1n.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5A533FA4.4030507@gmx.at> <9384bae5-cbb9-4b4d-ac5c-1d01f01c8117@default> <5A53B633.5020706@gmx.at> <41d40db5-15d8-4b2c-a058-fb6dabc8bfd3@default> <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> <5A55E8ED.1010602@gmx.at> <475d480b-3885-4779-ae46-09cf7fbbcee7@default> <5A5742E7.3070303@gmx.at> <5A5799A5.1070305@gmx.at> <878td4fh4r.fsf@gmail.com> <83a7xk46pp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515746352 4710 195.159.176.226 (12 Jan 2018 08:39:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:39:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 09:39:08 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZurg-0000jF-DI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:39:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54048 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZutg-0004sZ-5H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:41:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60723) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZut2-0004qz-FK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZusz-0004tG-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:40:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]:41532) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZusy-0004sQ-Rv; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:40:25 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id g75so10508636wme.0; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:40:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=iukiAibdMmSbViY9vPODLR5/1gF3pv5w2VA/Vmzh9g8=; b=sIeQ/HuEKg/MYCMocrl1d7Q2U2SVulOotAehlDrsaflvgZY9OkvisP1GHmsVp1zqr5 54LJTN2wW/+cDujZAWlO7hA4EkSsA5FV3NAWJyxEz61oJIRAQzQwEguq7vm926m420KB 8NriZ2TlIkiWh/Zwto9VYy4zjCItsQB9KW4Jj8DK4g5W6vYKCim0p/aEOPGH1EQqpCt7 DOYn4b2DRm9oAbZthNkSMLlrv54ytng1kXvZQW07kjvdm7md4xTBPyBjEIclx/292jdT g8rWIQG+Kl3msSbqmTtPYsfyMJqPzjbqjqs/2TjZiwa9H/rGL5Ruv0SgC6aIVCS6RsYL BwWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version; bh=iukiAibdMmSbViY9vPODLR5/1gF3pv5w2VA/Vmzh9g8=; b=Nm6uHXXWUiD0Bfv0VpAK+LsB/AwdkhrOlnTbXmpDcdYI+xs5rp4AXwoMDC0VBfc6Jr jjeJReTE62dIvXYq7RvmA8bPXhDQx26MnvGOc0JtniFwU/rMpMywKUef7uLz1D4Kc3y8 Rv8BddLOi8He0QE3qVjog82jUG7t1hKmw+ljqJr4ho3B9OMrbrDEVvzi2BeiQiFuS1et 92kLMlFddrIeODMM5+zIemBP0RpDFDcxjFlrG2NIYNB7EdSh16X2H4n4mCJBiccUjKOh j216+rSpyrMOV894Kri0rpmCsKJp4NiqPvLml4YoIL2o9ofD/9qDQqMhh9rtl+Jkydsr nXAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLQo0CslZQL+dZ045Rxy2rLdRCJqQsPq1latzo+VAPOhkHR0RkP yuYfevgPGmAgf+FADYvsmO1vCRBJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovxJ8MiDjhwEir5piK5gCYfVunchGsNIKaHIfjWccsujGKEoMVb/VbXF1bkB8haxUr75kYIMA== X-Received: by 10.80.243.138 with SMTP id g10mr35763830edm.6.1515746423320; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:40:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (vav06-1-78-207-202-134.fbx.proxad.net. [78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a33sm4437725ede.2.2018.01.12.00.40.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:40:22 -0800 (PST) Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <83a7xk46pp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:59:30 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221875 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:19:00 +0100 >> >> How much of an outcry would there be if I proposed removing Lucid and >> Motif support completely for Emacs 27, as a first step to getting rid >> of the unholy mix of X and GTK we're currently doing? > > A lot. I'm firmly against removing toolkits to appease GTK. I think > GTK is an unholy mess, which can some day simply stop being supported, > and we definitely shouldn't lose useful features in its favor. OK. But if we stop supporting GTK at some point, what ends up being its replacement? I doubt we'll be able to support Lucid and Motif forever, given that X is going to be replaced with Wayland. Robert