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Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:38:35 +0000 Original-Received: from c-73-16-70-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (EHLO localhost.localdomain) ([73.16.70.190]) by smtp419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7de5cb3f830116d37655648cdc3d7191; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:38:30 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87wosle5n4.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:07 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:149628 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > Live System User writes: > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> From: Live System User >>>> Cc: 31990@debbugs.gnu.org >>>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 04:53:16 -0400 >>>>=20 >>>> >> It was done manually anew in each session, yes. >>>> > >>>> > Then you should be able to manually set the variables derived from t= he >>>> > auth file, no? >>>>=20 >>>> Unfortunately, no, as there is only the variable `smtpmail-smtp-user' >>>> and no "smtpmail-smtp-password"-like variable... >>> >>> Then perhaps we should add them. > > And then people go 'but I want different values for different > accounts', and we=CA=BCre back at the .authinfo solution. > >> Yes, although I would prefer that the solution would be more >> comprehensive and allow users to make first-time *authenicated* >> connections instead of retrying (with a subsequent prompt for >> the password) only after a first-time *unauthenicated* connection >> failure. >> >> This would better solve this issue and for bug#26359 as well. >> >>> I do consider yours a very strange use case, btw. >> >> I do it for my sense of privacy (as little as it may be). > > Adding just the smtp username into .authinfo is really that much of an > issue for you? I don't want that information for 2 accounts *stored on disk*. > Given that you=CA=BCre using initially-unencrypted SMTP > connections, This issue is *also* present in an initially-*ENCRYPTED* TlS SMTP connection (port 465). > I fail to see the benefit to your privacy. Would you use similiar arguments for those who chose NOT to store their SMTP pasword in an (encrypted) .authinfo file? >> To each's own... > > Indeed. Then, nopefully, this option will be restored back in Emacs. Thanks. > > Robert