From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:52:07 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <874lf0oul4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> <877ejxsm18.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536421957 16490 195.159.176.226 (8 Sep 2018 15:52:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Elias =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=A5rtenson?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 08 17:52:32 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfXE-0004BA-8D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:52:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfZK-0003eG-Fk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfYN-0002yS-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfYM-0008BE-Gs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5301::4]:15973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfYM-000891-AF; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:53:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1536422021; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=0+X4ZuMBn0MQLnsKdZAmoBxKTzqSRGjTwyUYtcygyds=; b=MFtNbCw8VCt2Yl/yUOhsVr9ywXYuCaVRGQgZwiiItDWrc2BY1mnzicfxLtDuhwl6fC 3ZyG8q7SIb+jsywImRhKs+Tv/j28iKN3mkNEh5as/ZWO946OJFxiQqOcQ6kF+frgXAM0 ctQf9vBAZR5Ut0W6v6x7XTYz9FGtiW87dk7Yx0pOLw5udRde9URsm6ODBxdhO8tAbCKP IYxSlfbxkuK5VxVuPEISHCKEgWst/0vzSKaH3/L9T0PwWWm53oFVxB6ttyrc+EsQWEtA GDGedLzcz0MWaEG2XfEuA+EmSE3rka9GFxyuXR8YohDtbaqrJp6yULT0i1gACTDD8T85 LUBg== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.0 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e03b99u88FreDh0 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fyfYJ-0001f9-Qs; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:53:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: ("Elias \=\?utf-8\?Q\?M\=C3\=A5rtenson\=22's\?\= message of "Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:32:24 +0800") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229494 Archived-At: Elias M=C3=A5rtenson writes: > Without active regions, there would never be an expectation that backspace > deletes anything but one character. How come it wasn't distinguished between the concept of a region being active and the visual aid of marking a region? What's with the inconsistency that functions like query-replace are /limited/ to the region while others, like backward-delete-char, are /extended/ to the region when it is active? I think for the strict-selection-mode I'd prefer, it would help to disable transient-mark-mode. But how can I see what I have selected? It would even be possible to leave the visual markers active while the user is doing something else if transient-mark-mode didn't insist on the region being active when it's visually highlighted. It would only need a key binding to stop marking a region. I'd appreciate it if I didn't need to always do something with a region immediately and could leave it highlighted, or leave several regions highlighted at the same time. It seems transient-mark-mode started as a good idea and has evolved into a very special weirdness which now attracts other weirdnesses, like dangerous selection modes.