[RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Reading a recent message on Emacs devel list, I stumbled upon this:

    I needed to go and look up to figure out how to read the org file
    that came with pdf-tools. It isn't that much text, and the annoying
    folding that org does for what amounts to a simple README file is
    gratuitous at best.

it struck me that our default value for `org-startup-folded', which
t (or `overview') may not be nice for people not used to Org.

It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal
with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also
be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS
file.

Even though I think `overview' is a nice value, the logic behind my
suggestion is that it is easier for an Org user to set
`org-startup-folded' once and for all than for a non-Org user to
discover Org folding the hard way.

WDYT?

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thursday, 30 Apr 2020 at 17:11, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal
> with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also
> be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS
> file.

Yes, this is a good suggestion: anything that makes it easier for users
new to org is welcome and anybody else can easily change the default.
-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.6-555-ge68ae4

Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Marco Wahl]

> Reading a recent message on Emacs devel list, I stumbled upon this:
>
>     I needed to go and look up to figure out how to read the org file
>     that came with pdf-tools. It isn't that much text, and the annoying
>     folding that org does for what amounts to a simple README file is
>     gratuitous at best.
>
> it struck me that our default value for `org-startup-folded', which
> t (or `overview') may not be nice for people not used to Org.
>
> It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal
> with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also
> be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS
> file.
>
> Even though I think `overview' is a nice value, the logic behind my
> suggestion is that it is easier for an Org user to set
> `org-startup-folded' once and for all than for a non-Org user to
> discover Org folding the hard way.
>
> WDYT?

+1 for the change.

Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Amin Bandali]

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Hello,

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

[...]
>
> It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal
> with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also
> be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS
> file.
>
[...]

+1 from me as well.

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Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Tim Cross]

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Reading a recent message on Emacs devel list, I stumbled upon this:
>
>     I needed to go and look up to figure out how to read the org file
>     that came with pdf-tools. It isn't that much text, and the annoying
>     folding that org does for what amounts to a simple README file is
>     gratuitous at best.
>
> it struck me that our default value for `org-startup-folded', which
> t (or `overview') may not be nice for people not used to Org.
>
> It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal
> with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also
> be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS
> file.
>
> Even though I think `overview' is a nice value, the logic behind my
> suggestion is that it is easier for an Org user to set
> `org-startup-folded' once and for all than for a non-Org user to
> discover Org folding the hard way.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Regards,

+1 from me. 

-- 
Tim Cross

Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:
>
> +1 from me.

Thank to all of you for the feedback. I changed the default value in master.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou