From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Context menus and mouse-3 [was: Changes for emacs 28] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:48:11 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <874knwalok.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87k0wwsrj4.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87h7ryet7n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837dsu8nne.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0wuynde.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36115"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, self@gkayaalp.com, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, ghe@sdf.org, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 10:33:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIpLl-0009FF-Qx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:33:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37714 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIpLk-0001WC-MA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIpGI-00028N-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:33905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIpGF-0005uG-Dg; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:27:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-108-13.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.13]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10E0D240010; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:27:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:58:32 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.230; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay10.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/17 04:27:18 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255969 Archived-At: > > > "Poor"? the below just says that other applications (which ones?) do > > > it slightly differently, that's all. I don't see how what you say > > > justifies the "poor" part. > > > Yes, this is subjective, > > The worst problem is, it is not concrete enough to be constructive. > If someone says your program is "poor", what could you usefully do? > > Please be more specific when you criticize. Constructively, I propose to include in Emacs a new mode (with a name like 'modern-mouse-mode') where - down-mouse-3 and mouse-3 pop up the context menu containing at least the items "Cut", "Copy", "Paste", "Undo", "Redo" (and only "Copy" when the buffer is in read-only mode); - holding down the Shift key while using mouse-1 adjusts the already active region; - dragging the active region moves it to the place where the mouse-1 was released; - dragging the active region copies it to another place while holding down the Control key; - holding down the Shift key while scrolling with mouse wheel scrolls the buffer horizontally; > > but while I use the mouse in other apps, > > every time I try to use the mouse in Emacs, I can't make any sense of > > default mouse bindings mess, > > Which bindings do you find confusing? This is just incompatibility between the currently active old mode that follows what X applications do, and more modern mouse bindings used nowadays in other applications. So two separate modes are needed.