From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mingde (Matthew) Zeng" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/HELLO: On Chinese and Cantonese Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 03:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <874kmlz89b.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87mu0e3giu.fsf@posteo.net> <83wnzil7ki.fsf@gnu.org> <831rhpl9bm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30895"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ksqsf@mail.ustc.edu.cn, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 09:56:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVrw4-0007wl-0z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:56:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVrw3-0004lg-3R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 03:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVrvK-0003k3-9O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 03:55:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:55375) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVrvG-0002X7-8q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 03:55:41 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F39E72400FD for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:55:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1603439733; bh=sOQy9pC9BoKC1p3I24NlWKdM1lkwu37xvqKZqPwnMhc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=bvrGjYT8DL05kqMcmAMYRtySfRMFpI7mTYQ0prOQ65KC2aH+Qqno9V22zWvwY/S/5 qLPwPvVfBbG10GUNG5NCo259w3gxsgWeWUXW+5L/HPdrBd1SHgI7Nh17y1Xdyq7gmX j/pDa7e2WJXOdnGcSslMcPbqvcVWiNX/hwRejD5Byk7P/Vq23GaJ+u/RjejS5geo8p 0uoZrdrqSUHwRoJUQE5SJHeL48KcQqMsgf24862capnInqEf/rNocUYhuGotQrrVui 7egDRCw/N37MiMw0fGw6KtKb0T74MsDFa31ZdE9NJfGSdGzIVlBP8GC4T2FsNVNNw1 uMTGcGUQm2WLQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4CHc3R3hcRz9rxR; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:55:30 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <831rhpl9bm.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=matthewzmd@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/23 03:55:33 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258332 Archived-At: >> I have contacts in Taiwan who can tell us. Verify with a Taiwan native speaker if you really want to invest more time = on this, but I'll be 99.98% sure that he/she won't have a problem with "=E4= =BD=A0=E5=A5=BD". In fact, Taiwan folks write Traditioanl Chinese as well, = but speak a local dialect, which is not of our concern here. > But I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier: I would only remove my > objections for changing this part of HELLO if I hear from a > representative enough group of native Chinese speakers from both sides > of the divide that some change will be acceptable to them, and cause > no controversies on either side. With all due respect, people who > voiced their opinions in this matter till now cannot be considered > such a group. In particular, none of them stated his/her country of > origin and current place of living, nor the cultural group to which he > or she belongs, which makes judging the opinions harder. Well, I am a native Mandarin speaker from Guangdong China, where a very lar= ge portion of the people speaks Cantonese, and I currently live in Canada. -- Mingde (Matthew) Zeng