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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264655 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > But the actual people who compile Emacs for distribution are the > minority, aren't they? So it might make sense to just document the > advice to do full AOT when compiling for distribution, but default to > lazy compilation. Then developers would (commonly) be running a different thing than most users... >> But it would indeed make sense to be able to inhibit it if your build >> machine isn't super-spiffy. > > Or, you know, if you update the code often enough and don't want to > waste time on native-recompiling the world every time. Does AOT need really need to recompile everything every time temacs is built, though (as somebody said)? > Also, the lazy compilation approach seems to be the trickiest to get > right, so I'd keep it the default even just to expose it to as many > users as possible, to iron out whatever kinds could hide there. Sure, I have no problem with that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no