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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: Philipp <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Which Elisp types are mutable?
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2021 13:22:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874keca73x.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0404DE66-DD17-41F2-B6CC-EC06937CD152@gmail.com>


On 2021-06-03, at 14:11, Philipp <p.stephani2@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Am 03.06.2021 um 06:03 schrieb Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>:
>> 
>> Well, the subject says it all.  I could find an explicit, comprehensive
>> list of mutable (or immutable) types in the Elisp manual.  Is it there
>> somewhere?
>
> Mutability is a property of objects, not types.
> Some objects (numbers) are always immutable, others (markers, buffers, ...) are always mutable.  But objects of most "interesting" types (strings, lists, vectors, symbols) can be either mutable or immutable.
> Some time ago, I filed https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=43557 to document which objects are mutable, but unfortunately it's not yet fixed.

Thanks.  However, I still don't understand.  How can a list be
immutable?  What about a string?  I thought these are _always_ mutable
(although in some cases you must not mutate them, because if you do, bad
things could happen - see e.g. my blog post here:
http://mbork.pl/2016-05-23_Literal_values_and_destructive_functions).

Also, I thought symbols are immutable.  Can you provide an example
showing that they aren't?

TIA,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbork.pl



  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-05 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-03  4:03 Which Elisp types are mutable? Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-03 12:11 ` Philipp
2021-06-05 11:22   ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2021-06-05 12:58     ` Philipp
2021-06-05 14:25       ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 18:40         ` Philipp
2021-07-05 20:19           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 20:44             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 20:58               ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 21:03                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-05 19:19       ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-05 20:17         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-05 20:36           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06  1:57             ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 18:41         ` Philipp
2021-07-05 18:48           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 18:55             ` tomas
2021-07-05 19:26               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-05 19:40                 ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:03                   ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 20:12                     ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:39                       ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 20:58                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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