From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Pugnet Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Could Emacs Have a Set-up Wizard? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273895 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --b1_hKszmhdbnGb7EULbH23wDdExDoMUmuFjLKzrcIoCro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Fleischer writes: > My opinion is that we shouldn't expect an input from the user; the user > is an Emacs-beginner and she activates the "easy-start/contemporary" > profile and that's it. Our goal should be (IMO) to have the user use > Emacs for a day, and then a week and then a month. > > We're too much inside the Emacs paradigm so we want to introduce > customization into the first interaction of any beginner user but I > think it's not the right way of lowering the bar for new users who > choose to use these profiles. Yes that's true, sometimes it can be easy to forget what it's like to be an absolute beginner. > Of course the profile will be documented and hopefully the user will > learn the meaning of the decisions made in the profile. I think it's good to show the user what configuration is generated and to tell them where it's saved, but it should be easy for the to click "OK" on that and then just get on with using Emacs and not having to think about configuration again. That way those who just want to use Emacs will be able to do so and those who are more interested in what else it can do will have a starting point for further customisation. --b1_hKszmhdbnGb7EULbH23wDdExDoMUmuFjLKzrcIoCro Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=attachment.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=attachment.sig LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0NCg0KaVFKSUJBRUJDQUF5RmlFRU8vZUYzaFlz QU1qN1RhYjl1aE5acUN3TFB2a0ZBbUV6aUhBVUhITnBiVzl1UUhCdg0KYkdGeWFYTTJOQzV1WlhR QUNna1F1aE5acUN3TFB2bm13Zy8vUlVPZ3hZcmN5RG8yaGs2dzdWdXBMckZiSzJNbA0KT2NCRkR3 c1FVWTRhR1dxM09lNVIwVVl3TklzK09wWEJ0Vys2SzdwbGJWQlJDMnVQRm9QazVyVCtoWVB5VWxO dw0Kc29yUEZvNjBPa25wRE5SYWRNSk1BV1FkZFlCOVZWME51aHFCc083eEg4R3ZMaDBIVXU1QTNq MUFqcFh4OG1nTg0KaDdDVWZSQXhXK2NNWVZMWkg0amtnaGx6NTdFMEZxMTBTbHZWNjNrTW5PUWtj THNoMm1vSmtGdVYzamRhaEw2Mw0KTVJEeWNRMmNoUUpXOGdNQlN5TFNuSlViOS9icjB4bU1qWG5H TnhaWnZKQWdZS2JvL05obm9vV1RKd0NnbzRpOQ0KRXRPcFhXZGhiOU5Kb3Nic1FRRG5ZUUdFajI5 MWJONTJOem5nMWo5amxzZWNFS1c3a1Q0eWZTQU9PRkNtWFp1OA0KajRWbDVxdFZtUEp6TlZKeGxE UC9DK0krSmVBTWtzWVhOdFgyM09wSWlpd3V4SXYwbDAzYjRqZ2RVK24waDhQRg0KUm1VZ0drSklZ Yll4SXFZRSt2RlJBcTBPa0FvUXlnQm55MHhTbERvZHBoL1I3bDZHOGYyNWV3ZWRQVzFhb2Z0eA0K TG1Kb0ZxbWdKK2FrcVBsT3RFckltV0JDQ1pRMTUrU0RYa2t1M0lDOElvdEdFWHVEbW92NnVVbU5t TG1yMEdHdg0KUEVPSjNxak1rdy9zWTRjMm5JMWNUUm9PK3Frdm50dktneFVhcFVuSzdOelk0WWFZ Zks3c2pzM1k5V2RhTlFTWg0KbzlsazAvSFVvNDJXRkdhQXZrWWR1cXVWQVFFK0JuYmd3Zk54UTlE VVZLN1ByUTFFTFEzTmJscXd1cWJSMk4wRQ0KWVZWYzlISmlPbEJoUWc0PQ0KPXFrcVcNCi0tLS0t RU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ== --b1_hKszmhdbnGb7EULbH23wDdExDoMUmuFjLKzrcIoCro--