From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: FW: [External] : Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:55:08 +0800 Message-ID: <874k6lf07n.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <871r1pi0z2.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k0fhgkfa.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dbhgiy9.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnjhf24f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mtkdf19u.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16440"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de To: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 13:56:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Msv-00043y-HP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 13:56:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60540 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Msu-0000fA-E2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 07:56:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Ms2-0007ud-SP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 07:55:29 -0500 Original-Received: from sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.188.147]:38341) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Ms0-00061c-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 07:55:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1641214521; bh=XuLbRl3GS+l81IcNXMD3wEsyAgsG0q4KNHDDdfBcaTo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=EJAhQWzXw3Z604dRTyoB2OUFgx+8mpWBXJTmu7oJWDY1dYGpfNSQ+Ay+tKB4Gv/R9bCuHXWxo2tH5QwV2+mTl1+3MTC/xU+3prR9+G5POASsICrqY0PSBVQjcPQt/RQR6mpmDrp/i081S2KHF+LJ4MBiLFNlIThIkpckMcmRhbmusgMot+Rga/gB2a//kdEw4w28lh0CrpHzETNO5stN9mOdl0+uVJyfjueJJxiH0PCsH3E8N/QXywZFG40M2Ke/VER5SbmMg1kBu/KbpGgt9mzF+akLwg6iUD/yFNj9TewaZBtFskuIehMmnXd7lN3UVX4tyisMTRNbzWsTlu9l3Q== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1641214521; bh=TRGU6i7+VODAuOCFtuvX3mFntvOUfTcEB8Z5Xm/uRpO=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=HWwD/ib9VfiMcNGKpyCxykClhjDAhiWcGBCvLhwlM8Qh/ByzHvQ65LnC8OhU1FZTJHMXevcy15ZkA9tcKrBgEfxG2Z8CsqBj3H37wJIX0GmZ6Ru1AqnMQlYBS0nlYodWb1dBNhhtVzJ9Rg8Qchp9O7rFwMhBmXItIVlSUYWv5YPwyh6DeBMIVsbbYT/KGuah8eP+D6oLhGXq9SWgQmCdlpik1LHKoKEq/Bduy9yl962Aqii1tLkwAveO4cHGMgwfzVaE3edvGZVo54R93hA/6OOXs+bLstNHh7gnCWxruJgP6D7iG+hXtQOKUzWPseIU5Ruw3FBQKlLdr47yj67RiQ== X-YMail-OSG: jSXzGQ8VM1m6w0tyMemYaKR7_30SX0kQIAtEQ9XY99k2U2jgb2e4l.SrXcHJeZo DG0effyRQUF2_8IDiZaJzLyTPl8Au9BmunLOfluj.4SyW1vvZpCep6YpjKfpB6ZwvTezu_qNLSsq RhxsYJh8pBVfHc_bPDCTVVFaXySK0WkHKhEJfnKuJ2dAygIHIdxoNAHXJES1DHCOoi0cdI3uLAnH B6lI_fVSI0dEzWLA993dtTojQuah8EewzTwRyuBJocEkksQiX.11uos4IiB8loSMEJCbGc3f.vT2 sgqOKd74Sv2A8pkQ_6mNQlmJf5ajpXS4neIrKHkgchc4nza6jGvLsDi0MFfk4bGYaRrhN_3Sr7Pn xh1ZCeUszhi34LE84h9uI5011I0kTTYSsIC90rElh4DyQbl8mmsY8yt7_F6svxvkU8BIQnWcKNMa muKb6i9IkR1oZN1fXiPZzbJwAoZtGUd0LPS0oqAyLheIzSz2UosvM9iFN1GWVQNeJPrOEDuwlKUT xn_kV9yDqQMi.AzUoiK5jl.icOFqhO4rIrPyivQ364LjpXvzc8yqJPMmNhnPtedHJAzQknEtE2Hm p8pWVllAcHHCHRV8V7gsaXYsfACeF8ZTUIuSdqo.B0UQSfc0TakGubIll64tOP82q.NYIAS2.xEu zzYx9dsVdjQ8mz4bx3FrvkD7dZG07NHWLwcA9jAaqctMc0got_pibn6at5HX6NcsFDERddYTpxxv qvDRCoOI8ghfNpx3rH7rYzjmc5rCo_vLFJuH6vH8.i6wVa4cJcys0jqqK3E8zqhYYTeuD9S7_q94 4FZzFrpyKWkaoA2M1eaqj5J8nJflIf3WKOuf6TlmwH X-Sonic-MF: Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:55:21 +0000 Original-Received: by kubenode514.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6b7f0a58c08d935b027005d7e42ad51d; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (xenodasein's message of "Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:44:20 +0100 (CET)") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19551 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284037 Archived-At: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > It means that I do have an explanation for the problem, and stop acting > as if I am lying or something. I'm not acting as if you're lying. I was stating that your very vague explanations don't help, at all. > If you are unable to find it and interested in more details, what you > should have done is to ask me for the full article instead of > continuing the harassment campaign. Please choose your words carefully. Contrary to your statement, there is no "harassment campaign" against you or anyone else here. > Here's an example of a normal answer you should have given: "I am > working on Customize, and would appreciate your time if you can > provide the whole article, not just a pointer to internet, and maybe > additional comments instead." And that, except split across a few more messages, is precisely what I have been trying to say to you today (specifically, about autoloads and custom.) Your response however is typically a complaint that I'm calling you delusional, or harassing you, or calling you a liar, or what not, which is again blatantly false. Anyway, unless you're willing to provide some actual information about the problem, I will see myself out. I still oppose the addition of a setup wizard that does not generate a custom-set-variables block to place in the custom file. Thanks. > Now you are expanding the issue, and asking for how autoload problem > directly affects the new wizard package, whereas my original mail was > only about defaults of custom-file, and your answer was about setq. > With deflections like these, it is easy to doubt someone's intentions, > so don't blame me. I suggest you take a look at the title of your reply, if that is what your argument is based on. Further more, it was you who turned the discussion towards setq, and the discussion about custom-file is an entirely separate discussion (which was also suitably renamed) that involved Philip, Pedro and you, not me. I was not paying attention to the "default custom file" discussion.