From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 17:08:20 +0200 Message-ID: <874k19pue3.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmk1b5ot.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15724"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:K84S42iLpXCxeJL3vxAQp+wgliM= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 17:09:06 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nuy3t-0003sD-Tl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 17:09:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33508 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuy3s-0005lI-Jk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 11:09:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuy3L-0005kv-QI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 11:08:31 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:47796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuy3K-0000J6-4k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 11:08:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nuy3G-0003Et-QA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 17:08:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137446 Archived-At: Thomas Lord wrote: > Example from real life. In high school I interned at a dinky > little start-up that was a net-news edge node. The system > administrators at that little company set up an internal net > news host the same way someone might bring in an old ping > pong table - to improve the work environment. > > That company dialed out to a more established company down > the road that, as a regional industry courtesy, not only > hosted its own internal net news host but connected to even > bigger fish upstream and casually offered peering to local > small companies. Can you explain the terms host and upstream in this context? A host is a computer connected to Usenet and upstream is where the data has been already, i.e. the servers? >>> Google used its economic power and social influence to >>> first centralize what was left of mainstream netnews and >>> then to kill it off. >> >> Well, you can tune into nntp.aioe.org with Gnus this very >> instant and see how useful it is. But killed - no. > > Yes, I am being a bit absolutist there. > > I suppose to be a little more accurate I would say that they > killed it as a way of sharing groups that had developed into > widely used global connected social media (relative to the > scales of its day). > > To be sure, the not-really-multi-media email-style message > format didn't exactly help sustain interested in net news. I've heard the so called binary groups (which contained multimedia) were part of the reason of the fall in popular use since people were sharing files - so not the least XXX rated movies - to the extent it ate up most of the bandwidth while there still wasn't a monetary incentive to keep providing the service, from the ISP's POV ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal