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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 51766@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#51766: string-pixel-width limitations (was: bug#51766: 29.0.50; Return value of buffer-chars-modified-tick changes when buffer text is not yet changed before inserting a character for non-latin input methods)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:03:43 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874k0eqic0.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y1xqji8z.fsf@gnu.org>

Note that I changed the topic in this particular branch. My aim here is
to make you aware about the issues with current Emacs tools to measure
pixel-precise string width. Maybe, things can be improved on Emacs side
in this regard.

The below is going back to the initial topic.

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Anyway, the beginning of this sub-thread, specifically about valign,
> was in the context of Lisp programs that do buffer modifications under
> with-silent-modifications or equivalent, and valign seems to do that
> because it just needs to measure the pixel width of a string, and it
> does that by inserting the string and then removing it.  So in that
> case, the "buffer modifications" are indeed null and void, and Org
> shouldn't be bothered by such "modifications", because the buffer
> really remains unmodified.  Right?

In short, you are right. To clarify the problem on my side goes like:

1. Org has a real issue with bad third-party code inhibiting
   before/after-change function + modifications in indirect buffers not
   always triggering before/after-change
2. Because the issue is critical and can cause data corruption, we
   cannot just ignore it
3. The first attempt to detect "stealthy" modifications was using
   buffer-chars-modified-tick
4. But this method is not reliable because (a) quail does some legit
   edits under inhibit-modification-hooks; (b) some other code, like
   valign also does legit edits under inhibit-modification-hooks
   These buffer modifications are harmless from Org perspective.
5. However, We end up with numerous false-positives using (3) and I am
   clueless how to reliably detect or work around harmful "stealthy"
   edits

   - The suggestion to compare buffer size is helpful, but not 100%
     reliable
   - My other idea to request before/after-change function variants are
     too specific to the problem at hand and may be not good for Emacs
     in a whole

In any case, bug#51766 should not be considered a bug because quail does
modify the buffer and changes in buffer-chars-modified-tick are legit.

Best,
Ihor
   





  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-21 13:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-11 13:56 bug#51766: 29.0.50; Return value of buffer-chars-modified-tick changes when buffer text is not yet changed before inserting a character for non-latin input methods Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-11 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11 15:50   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-11 17:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-12 12:06       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-12 12:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-12 12:53           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-12 13:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-12 13:39               ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-12 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-13  9:10                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-13 10:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-13 11:29                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-13 13:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-13 14:43                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-13 15:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17  2:54                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-17  5:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17 13:16                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-17 10:05                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-17 10:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-21  4:13                           ` bug#51766: string-pixel-width limitations (was: bug#51766: 29.0.50; Return value of buffer-chars-modified-tick changes when buffer text is not yet changed before inserting a character for non-latin input methods) Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-21 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-21 11:00                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-21 12:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-21 12:39                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-21 12:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-21 13:03                                       ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-06-22 23:49                                         ` bug#51766: string-pixel-width limitations Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-17 13:28                         ` bug#51766: 29.0.50; Return value of buffer-chars-modified-tick changes when buffer text is not yet changed before inserting a character for non-latin input methods Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-21  4:14                           ` Ihor Radchenko

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