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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 57907-done@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#57907: 29.0.50; Using keywords with cl-loop
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:16:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jx3fz3k.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmfryeiz.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:06:12 +0200")

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> I phrased that clumsily -- while it is a new language, it doesn't always
>> have to feel like one.
>
> And I'm saying that that feeling is a misleading feeling -- we're
> leading the users down the garden path.
>
>> E.g. the repeat-collect example I gave before.
>> If you *can* use keywords, you *can* make some cl-loop invocations
>> appear to be a macro or a function call with keyword-arguments.
>>
>> But of course this wouldn't be the case, as the macro should stay
>> backwards compatible.
>
> I understand that.  But it means that the stated rationale for this
> change does the users a disservice.
>
> So I'm against extending cl-loop in this way.  Gerd has explained why
> it works this way in Common Lisp (because CL doesn't have any other
> choice because that's the way the language works), but we should not
> shoehorn in this accident into Emacs, too.

While it might have had been an accident initially, I don't think it has
to be considered such.  As I said, there are reasons like syntax
highlighting for preferring keyword-symbols.  But if you don't think
this is a good idea, I'll go ahead and close the issue.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-19 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-18 12:03 bug#57907: 29.0.50; Using keywords with cl-loop Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 12:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 12:28   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 12:37     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 12:46       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-19  8:06         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19 10:16           ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-09-19 12:52             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found] ` <handler.57907.B.166350264228653.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2022-09-18 12:26   ` bug#57907: Acknowledgement (29.0.50; Using keywords with cl-loop) Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 20:12     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 12:38 ` bug#57907: 29.0.50; Using keywords with cl-loop Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-18 12:52   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 13:01     ` Gerd Möllmann

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