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* Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
@ 2022-12-14 18:17 Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mattias Engdegård @ 2022-12-14 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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I'm about to push a new byte-compiler warning that finds mistakes like

  (eq x '(ho hum))

Ie, attempts to compare, by identity, literals that may not match anything at all: quoted lists, strings, floats etc.

The warning finds about 20 such mistakes in the Emacs tree, including two by this programmer. So far no false positives have turned up, although not all warnings indicate actual bugs (many things just happen to work by luck). Typically the remedy is to use equal instead of eq, and so on.

The warning applies to arguments in calls to eq, eql, memq, memql, assq, rassq, remq and delq.

Given its usefulness and low risk (it does not actually change the behaviour of anything) I suggest it be added to the emacs-29 branch. Objections? (Clearly we'd like to fix the mistakes found in emacs-29, and doing so is a lot more convenient if the warning is actually there too.)

Patch below for reference. I don't think it merits a NEWS entry but could certainly add one.


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From 65a701d7c9ecbdd810f94a18786f73e81e31f391 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?Mattias=20Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@acm.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:48:17 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Warn about unmatchable constant args to `eq`, `memq` etc

Add a byte-compiler warning about attempts to compare literal values
with undefined identity relation to other values.  For example:

  (eq x 2.0)
  (memq x '("a" (b) [c]))

Such incomparable values include all literal conses, strings, vectors,
records and (except for eql and memql) floats and bignums.
The warning currently applies to eq, eql, memq, memql, assq, rassq,
remq and delq.

* lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el (bytecomp--dodgy-eq-arg)
(bytecomp--value-type-description, bytecomp--arg-type-description)
(bytecomp--warn-dodgy-eq-arg, bytecomp--check-eq-args)
(bytecomp--check-memq-args): New.
(eq, eql, memq, memql, assq, rassq, remq, delq):
Set compiler-macro property.
* lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el (with-suppressed-warnings):
Amend doc string.
* test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el
(bytecomp--with-warning-test): Fix text-quoting-style and expand
re-warning so that it doesn't need to be a literal.
(bytecomp-warn-dodgy-args-eq, bytecomp-warn-dodgy-args-memq):
New tests.
---
 lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el            |  3 +-
 lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el            | 74 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el | 54 +++++++++++++++++--
 3 files changed, 127 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
index 1babf3ec2c..b5e887db83 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
@@ -653,7 +653,8 @@ with-suppressed-warnings
 `suspicious'.
 
 For the `mapcar' case, only the `mapcar' function can be used in
-the symbol list.  For `suspicious', only `set-buffer' and `lsh' can be used."
+the symbol list.  For `suspicious', only `set-buffer', `lsh' and `eq'
+can be used."
   ;; Note: during compilation, this definition is overridden by the one in
   ;; byte-compile-initial-macro-environment.
   (declare (debug (sexp body)) (indent 1))
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el
index f176e769bf..9af32102c0 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el
@@ -5487,6 +5487,80 @@ batch-byte-recompile-directory
            (eval form)
          form)))
 
+;; Check for (in)comparable constant values in calls to `eq', `memq' etc.
+
+(defun bytecomp--dodgy-eq-arg (x number-ok)
+  "Whether X is a bad argument to `eq' (or `eql' if NUMBER-OK is non-nil)."
+  (cond ((consp x) (and (eq (car x) 'quote) (consp (cadr x))))
+        ((symbolp x) nil)
+        ((integerp x) (not (or (<= -536870912 x 536870911) number-ok)))
+        ((floatp x) (not number-ok))
+        (t t)))
+
+(defun bytecomp--value-type-description (x)
+  (cond ((and x (proper-list-p x)) "list")
+        ((recordp x) "record")
+        (t (symbol-name (type-of x)))))
+
+(defun bytecomp--arg-type-description (x)
+  (bytecomp--value-type-description
+   (if (and (consp x) (eq (car x) 'quote))
+       (cadr x)
+     x)))
+
+(defun bytecomp--warn-dodgy-eq-arg (form type parenthesis)
+  (macroexp-warn-and-return
+   (format "`%s' called with literal %s that may never match (%s)"
+           (car form) type parenthesis)
+   form '(suspicious eq) t))
+
+(defun bytecomp--check-eq-args (form a b &rest _ignore)
+  (let* ((number-ok (eq (car form) 'eql))
+         (bad-arg (cond ((bytecomp--dodgy-eq-arg a number-ok) 1)
+                        ((bytecomp--dodgy-eq-arg b number-ok) 2))))
+    (if bad-arg
+        (bytecomp--warn-dodgy-eq-arg
+         form
+         (bytecomp--arg-type-description (nth bad-arg form))
+         (format "arg %d" bad-arg))
+      form)))
+
+(put 'eq  'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-eq-args)
+(put 'eql 'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-eq-args)
+
+(defun bytecomp--check-memq-args (form elem list &rest _ignore)
+  (let* ((fn (car form))
+         (number-ok (eq fn 'memql)))
+    (cond
+     ((bytecomp--dodgy-eq-arg elem number-ok)
+      (bytecomp--warn-dodgy-eq-arg
+       form (bytecomp--arg-type-description elem) "arg 1"))
+     ((and (consp list) (eq (car list) 'quote)
+           (proper-list-p (cadr list)))
+      (named-let loop ((elts (cadr list)) (i 1))
+        (if elts
+            (let* ((elt (car elts))
+                   (x (cond ((eq fn 'assq) (car-safe elt))
+                            ((eq fn 'rassq) (cdr-safe elt))
+                            (t elt))))
+              (if (or (symbolp x)
+                      (and (integerp x)
+                           (or (<= -536870912 x 536870911) number-ok))
+                      (and (floatp x) number-ok))
+                  (loop (cdr elts) (1+ i))
+                (bytecomp--warn-dodgy-eq-arg
+                 form (bytecomp--value-type-description x)
+                 (format "element %d of arg 2" i))))
+          form)))
+     (t form))))
+
+(put 'memq  'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+(put 'memql 'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+(put 'assq  'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+(put 'rassq 'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+(put 'remq  'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+(put 'delq  'compiler-macro #'bytecomp--check-memq-args)
+
 (provide 'byte-compile)
 (provide 'bytecomp)
 
diff --git a/test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el b/test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el
index e7c308213e..00361a4286 100644
--- a/test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp-tests.el
@@ -837,9 +837,11 @@ bytecomp--with-warning-test
   (declare (indent 1))
   `(with-current-buffer (get-buffer-create "*Compile-Log*")
      (let ((inhibit-read-only t)) (erase-buffer))
-     (byte-compile ,@form)
-     (ert-info ((prin1-to-string (buffer-string)) :prefix "buffer: ")
-       (should (re-search-forward ,(string-replace " " "[ \n]+" re-warning))))))
+     (let ((text-quoting-style 'grave))
+       (byte-compile ,@form)
+       (ert-info ((prin1-to-string (buffer-string)) :prefix "buffer: ")
+         (should (re-search-forward
+                  (string-replace " " "[ \n]+" ,re-warning)))))))
 
 (ert-deftest bytecomp-warn-wrong-args ()
   (bytecomp--with-warning-test "remq.*3.*2"
@@ -863,6 +865,52 @@ bytecomp-warn-wide-docstring/defvar
   (bytecomp--with-warning-test "defvar.*foo.*wider than.*characters"
     `(defvar foo t ,bytecomp-tests--docstring)))
 
+(ert-deftest bytecomp-warn-dodgy-args-eq ()
+  (dolist (fn '(eq eql))
+    (cl-flet ((msg (type arg)
+                (format
+                 "`%s' called with literal %s that may never match (arg %d)"
+                 fn type arg)))
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg "list" 1)   `(,fn '(a) 'x))
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg "string" 2) `(,fn 'x "a"))
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg "vector" 2) `(,fn 'x [a]))
+      (unless (eq fn 'eql)
+        (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg "integer" 2) `(,fn 'x #x10000000000))
+        (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg "float" 2)   `(,fn 'x 1.0))))))
+
+(ert-deftest bytecomp-warn-dodgy-args-memq ()
+  (dolist (fn '(memq memql remq delq assq rassq))
+    (cl-labels
+        ((msg1 (type)
+           (format
+            "`%s' called with literal %s that may never match (arg 1)"
+            fn type))
+         (msg2 (type)
+           (format
+            "`%s' called with literal %s that may never match (element 2 of arg 2)"
+            fn type))
+         (lst (elt)
+           (cond ((eq fn 'assq)  `((a . 1) (,elt . 2) (c . 3)))
+                 ((eq fn 'rassq) `((1 . a) (2 . ,elt) (3 . c)))
+                 (t              `(a       ,elt       c))))
+         (form2 (elt)
+           `(,fn 'x ',(lst elt))))
+
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg1 "list")   `(,fn '(a) '(x)))
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg1 "string") `(,fn "a" '(x)))
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg1 "vector") `(,fn [a] '(x)))
+    (unless (eq fn 'memql)
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg1 "integer") `(,fn #x10000000000 '(x)))
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg1 "float")   `(,fn 1.0 '(x))))
+
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "list")   (form2 '(b)))
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "list")   (form2 ''b))
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "string") (form2 "b"))
+    (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "vector") (form2 [b]))
+    (unless (eq fn 'memql)
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "integer") (form2 #x10000000000))
+      (bytecomp--with-warning-test (msg2 "float")   (form2 1.0))))))
+
 (defmacro bytecomp--define-warning-file-test (file re-warning &optional reverse)
   `(ert-deftest ,(intern (format "bytecomp/%s" file)) ()
      (with-current-buffer (get-buffer-create "*Compile-Log*")
-- 
2.32.0 (Apple Git-132)


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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-14 18:17 Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq` Mattias Engdegård
@ 2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2022-12-14 20:57   ` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-14 18:57 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
  2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-12-14 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård; +Cc: emacs-devel

> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 19:17:07 +0100
> 
> Given its usefulness and low risk (it does not actually change the behaviour of anything) I suggest it be added to the emacs-29 branch.

No, please don't.  We have already too many last-minute new features
in Emacs 29.

> (Clearly we'd like to fix the mistakes found in emacs-29, and doing so is a lot more convenient if the warning is actually there too.)

There's nothing to prevent us from running Emacs 30 on code from Emacs
29, is there?

So please install this on master.

Thanks.



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* RE: [External] : Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-14 18:17 Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-12-14 18:57 ` Drew Adams
  2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2022-12-14 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård, emacs-devel

> I'm about to push a new byte-compiler warning that finds mistakes like
> 
>   (eq x '(ho hum))
> 
> Ie, attempts to compare, by identity, literals that may not match
> anything at all: quoted lists, strings, floats etc.

The warning could perhaps remind users of `equal'.

It's likely that in at least some cases what they
really meant was (equal x '(ho hum)).  And `equal'
takes care of all types (strings etc.).



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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-12-14 20:57   ` Mattias Engdegård
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mattias Engdegård @ 2022-12-14 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel

14 dec. 2022 kl. 19.29 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:

> There's nothing to prevent us from running Emacs 30 on code from Emacs
> 29, is there?

That sounds rather impractical. I wouldn't waste my time.

Anyway, now installed on master. Thank you!





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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-14 18:17 Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2022-12-14 18:57 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
@ 2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2022-12-15  6:34   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
  2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-12-15  4:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård; +Cc: emacs-devel

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Note that your patch has a false positive with the empty string, which is
optimized to be always the same object (well, ISTR there are two, a unibyte
one and a multibyte one).

(byte-compile '(let ((x "")) (eq x "")))   =>   Warning: `eq' called with
literal string that may never match (arg 2)

(let ((x "")) (eq x "")) => t

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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2022-12-15  6:34   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
  2022-12-15  7:00     ` Juanma Barranquero
  2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide @ 2022-12-15  6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: Mattias Engdegård, emacs-devel

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Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:

> Note that your patch has a false positive with the empty string, which is optimized to be always the same object (well, ISTR there are two, a unibyte
> one and a multibyte one).
>
> (byte-compile '(let ((x "")) (eq x "")))   =>   Warning: `eq' called with literal string that may never match (arg 2)
>
> (let ((x "")) (eq x "")) => t

Is this guaranteed or just an implementation detail?

If it is not guaranteed, then "may never match" sounds correct.

I miss a suggestion, though: the warning as it is is not actionable. It
would be great if it could say something along the lines of

"... (arg 2). Consider using `equal'."

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
draketo.de

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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  6:34   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
@ 2022-12-15  7:00     ` Juanma Barranquero
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-12-15  7:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide; +Cc: Mattias Engdegård, emacs-devel

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 7:37 AM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>
wrote:

> Is this guaranteed or just an implementation detail?

That depends on how you interpret it. IIRC, that all "" are the same object
was done to avoid having tons of "" in pure space. So in that sense, is
guaranteed. And, as such, the warning is superfluous in this specific case.

Anyway, as documented, that identical constant strings are different
objects is, in general, an implementation detail, and the same goes for
floats:

*Emacs Lisp Reference, 2.8 Equality Predicates*

          (eq 3.0 3.0)
               ⇒ t or nil
          ;; Equal floats may or may not be the same object.

          (eq "asdf" "asdf")
               ⇒ t or nil
          ;; Equal string constants or may not be the same object.

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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2022-12-15  6:34   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
@ 2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-15 10:06     ` Juanma Barranquero
                       ` (2 more replies)
  1 sibling, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mattias Engdegård @ 2022-12-15  9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: emacs-devel, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

15 dec. 2022 kl. 05.17 skrev Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>:

> Note that your patch has a false positive with the empty string, which is optimized to be always the same object

That's only an implementation aspect that we give no guarantees about on the Lisp language level, and in fact as you correctly observe:

> there are two, a unibyte one and a multibyte one

Precisely, and often there's no telling which one we compare against in (eq x "") -- that expression may return t or nil when x is an empty string.
Thus it's definitely a well-motivated warning, toy examples like

> (let ((x "")) (eq x ""))

notwithstanding. We simply do not guarantee the identity of literal strings and the empty string is no exception.

15 dec. 2022 kl. 07.34 skrev Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>:

> I miss a suggestion, though: the warning as it is is not actionable. It
> would be great if it could say something along the lines of
> 
> "... (arg 2). Consider using `equal'."

While this sounds like a useful suggestion on the surface, it's actually slightly dangerous: blindly replacing `eq` with `equal` (and `memq` with `member`, and so on) may very well break working code (that silently relied on the condition not being true). It's also a poor remedy against pratfalls like

  (memq x '(one 'two 'three))

which do occur. What we really want is to make a human look at the code, and think.




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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
@ 2022-12-15 10:06     ` Juanma Barranquero
  2022-12-15 10:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
  2022-12-15 16:13     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-12-15 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård; +Cc: emacs-devel, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 10:36 AM Mattias Engdegård <
mattias.engdegard@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's only an implementation aspect that we give no guarantees about on
> the Lisp language level, and in fact as you correctly observe:
>  there are two, a unibyte one and a multibyte one
>

I think I disagree, but it's a discussion not worth wasting anyone's time

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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-15 10:06     ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2022-12-15 10:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
  2022-12-15 13:58       ` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-15 16:13     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-12-15 10:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård
  Cc: Juanma Barranquero, emacs-devel, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

Mattias Engdegård <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com> writes:

> While this sounds like a useful suggestion on the surface, it's actually slightly dangerous: blindly replacing `eq` with `equal` (and `memq` with `member`, and so on) may very well break working code (that silently relied on the condition not being true). It's also a poor remedy against pratfalls like
>
>   (memq x '(one 'two 'three))
>
> which do occur. What we really want is to make a human look at the code, and think.

Then, there should also be a way to tell the compiler not to throw the
warning in specific, checked, places in the code.

-- 
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* Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15 10:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-12-15 13:58       ` Mattias Engdegård
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mattias Engdegård @ 2022-12-15 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: emacs-devel

15 dec. 2022 kl. 11.50 skrev Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>:

> there should also be a way to tell the compiler not to throw the
> warning in specific, checked, places in the code.

  (with-suppressed-warnings ((suspicious eq))
    ...)

should work, but there should be little need as false positives seem to be very rare. Let me know if you run across any.




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* RE: [External] : Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
  2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård
  2022-12-15 10:06     ` Juanma Barranquero
  2022-12-15 10:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-12-15 16:13     ` Drew Adams
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2022-12-15 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mattias Engdegård, Juanma Barranquero
  Cc: emacs-devel, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

> > I miss a suggestion, though: the warning as it is is not actionable. It
> > would be great if it could say something along the lines of
> >
> > "... (arg 2). Consider using `equal'."

Dunno what the "... (arg 2)" is about, but the
rest of that looks like a suggestion I made here:

  The warning could perhaps remind users of `equal'.

  It's likely that in at least some cases what they
  really meant was (equal x '(ho hum)).  And `equal'
  takes care of all types (strings etc.).


> While this sounds like a useful suggestion on the surface, it's actually
> slightly dangerous: blindly replacing `eq` with `equal` (and `memq` with
> `member`, and so on)

No one (at least not I) suggested such a thing.

Neither my "remind" suggestion nor the quoted (?)
"consider" suggestion imply or even suggest
anything like "blindly replacing".

The point (my point at least) was that some users
might mistakenly use `eq' when they really meant
(should have meant) `equal', and a reminder about
the difference might help then.

On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of _warnings_
(apart from byte-compiler messages, and even then
most shouldn't be considered _warnings_).

> What we really want is to make a human look at
> the code, and think.

Precisely.  And when doing so, at least be aware
that `equal' exists and how it's different from
`eq'.  To some users (esp. new users) that may
not be obvious or front-of-mind.



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