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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303087 Archived-At: Hello, On Tue 07 Feb 2023 at 04:39AM +01, Aymeric Agon-Rambosson wrote: > Le lundi 6 f=C3=A9vrier 2023 =C3=A0 16:29, Eli Zaretskii a= =C3=A9crit : > >> I understand the convenience, but once again, my primary audience is >> the Emacs users, and they rarely need to handle such convoluted >> situations. Some relative inconvenience aside, I see no reason why >> you couldn't make do without the environment variable, but via some >> automatically-loaded init files or somesuch. > > I think there was some worry about whether an extra eval would arrive "so= on > enough", that is before any native compilation would have been attempted.= In > contrast, the value of the environment variable is obtained at very begin= ning > of `normal-top-level', that is before any native compilation could possib= ly > happen. > > Other than that, I agree that this is mainly a question of convenience for > us. So much so that, as Sean said, we would probably patch it back should= it > be removed. On top of that, the delta corresponding to the environment > variable specifically is negligible (1 line in normal-top-level) when com= pared > to the delta needed to implement the underlying > `inhibit-automatic-native-compilation'. I think that the interpretation of this as a matter of convenience is wrong. The *correct* solution for Debian, we think, is one that doesn't involve patching invocations deep inside third party Makefiles. Carrying all those patches is, I think, not technically correct design. --=20 Sean Whitton