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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 13ef7b364202a4d2deeea363457f9c09; Fri, 05 May 2023 12:29:34 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83mt2jhvrx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 May 2023 14:17:54 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21417 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.204; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic312-23.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305875 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Anyway, I don't object to explaining what we call ``minimized'', as long >> as it is confined to some short introductory text in the manual. But we >> should never use the term ``minimized'' ourselves. > > That's not the current policy, and I see no reason to enforce such > restrictions. So please stop pushing others to adopt your personal > preferences. There are at least two reasons: 1. the term ``minimize'' does not make sense, at least on the common free desktops. 2. Emacs minimizes windows, while it iconifies frames. Type M-x minimize-window RET, then see what happens.