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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307073 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > That was a big discussion and I've been very backlogged. It seems to > be around 150 messages, according to grep. I can't read that many! > It would take me hours. > > It seems to be a matter of ease of maintenance, not directly a specific > technical point, and not an ethical issue. I think the active maintainers > are the best people to decide this. No active Emacs developers, aside from Eli and me, have commented on the technical aspects of the issue. > 1. Why would it be a fork, rather than updating a set of changes as has > happened with Emacs for MacOS? That hasn't happened with Emacs for Mac OS. The NS port is part of the GNU Emacs distribution. > 2. Why would a fork be a very bad thing? Because we will soon have a proliferation of subtly incompatible varities of Emacs. > 3. Could you please tell me in 20 lines what the crucial issue is? > Has someone proposed a policy that we don't install a big change > if only one person can understand it? Not ``if only one person can understand it'', but rather ``if there is _currently_ only one person who understands it.'' > 4. Could we recruit Android wizards to help work on it? Probably, if the necessity arrives. However, the work is finished. All that remains is to install the changes. Thanks.