From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 15:54:58 +0000 Message-ID: <874jkt90a5.fsf@localhost> References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fs4pkkqi.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztzkgct.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1if8j8t.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87y1ifi9fv.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zg2uqdmv.fsf@localhost> <87edk3gbh3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztvnuyb.fsf@localhost> <875y5bdutt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1i6e1uh.fsf@localhost> <874jkub40o.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztqdw2l.fsf@localhost> <87msym9i4r.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877cpp914t.fsf@localhost> <83fs4dwwdo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2730"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ams@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 20 17:55:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXklt-0000Wl-9P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 17:55:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXklD-0007sd-B4; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 11:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXklB-0007sV-LG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 11:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXkl9-0006y1-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 11:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FB5E240103 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 17:54:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692546872; bh=/0teqDvuDLckqSOZ/qUIjfMYUa4OioAeY8zwsTZqaCI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=AzdLD55CYtXoLNRdpj/8gP4xM35faCtxTgY4EzoPRT8CIefNWdZrQyRXKJeffDrpa 4oM1I5DQWitsC38+wwso6JIBuqdlAPFUkp5LQ8vlqRwZxCIl5C883PV9XXP/a9T/3h aMWESbxwxTp33KllTjjlEJW7M/aSA+Ll4nSl5E5IzFxkQCkix6e4S4m1xlcAGmIE2J ppQTx3hHWRIDAONUU8imE+TkGnn/V5+9ldPtZ/cXqmD6egZ3YxYzl9OFnEweiAPTr9 +n5LYmJK2LZI7GjGoqTcx9Ia2mVQYZk5ZpsDpYY+v+U9Mzi6w+97eeIT7gTCQS4enj fTMCL5z0ZFjug== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RTKtH4qkYz9rxM; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 17:54:31 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83fs4dwwdo.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -53 X-Spam_score: -5.4 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308968 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It would be helpful if you show us what happens in Elisp with a similar >> call. > > See below. Sorry, I was not clear. I was asking to help comparing between disassembly of Elisp and CL versions. I myself is not familiar with assembly code. > It's very easy to see the code of 'car' in Emacs. All you need is run > GDB: > > $ gdb ./emacs > ... > (gdb) disassemble /m Fcar So, while I can do this mechanically, it will not understand it. Not to the level to draw conclusions about what is different in Elisp compared to CL. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at