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[95.92.228.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o9-20020adfe809000000b003176c6e87b1sm1453741wrm.81.2023.08.31.01.47.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 31 Aug 2023 01:47:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ttsfr8zk.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:01:19 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::435; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x435.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309607 Archived-At: K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: > I think they deserve the courtesy of not encroaching if alternatives can > be found; That's curious, because "encroaching" goes both ways I could see you ask that very thing of the other camp. I guess it's a question of who can legitimately lay claim to a name in a finite namespace. I've said before I don't think "I saw it first" should be a criteria. Philip Kaludercic writes: >> My 2=C2=A2, as a passive observer, not a Clojure programmer either, whose >> only interests lie in (a) alienating as few people as possible (b) >> getting dopamine hits from finding specks of consistency amidst chaos: >> >> * "lisp-clojure-mode", following other "FAMILY-DIALECT-mode" examples >> like "makefile-gmake-mode", >> >> * no specific name (keep the name from the inherited mode, >> lisp-data-mode in your example), just a mode-line hint, following >> other "FAMILY[DIALECT]" examples like sh-script and >> "Shell-script[bash]". > > I like these ideas as well, even though I am hesitant to call Clojure a > Lisp proper ;) No problem about the first, but I think the second doesn't work with Eglot, I think. It needs a unique major mode symbol. Jo=C3=A3o