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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309731 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > > There is a sweet spot somewhere, but I don't have any scientific argument for > its position. Though if I try to imagine myself 10-15 years younger (rather > difficult), the grading would most likely be Github > Gitlab >> Bugzilla > mumi >>> Debbugs. Add a pound of salt, of course. > > There should also be SourceHut on this scale, but I don't know where to put it. >From the perspective of a zoomer (born 1997), I'll fill that in for you: Github > Gitlab > Sourcehut > Bugzilla > mumi. Not that this reflects my personal preference, but looking at my peers it is clear that they overwhelmingly prefer the "pull-request GUI" workflow. Looking at bugzilla I don't see what it does differently from sourcehut's ticket tracker, but sourcehut is more than just a ticket tracker so I rank it higher. PS: I'm a little surprised that sourcehut is not receiving more love here. Looking at sourcehut it seems to be the only forge where email based developmen is a first-class citizen. It's also the only forge that is licensed under the GPL and whose developers politically align with the FSF. It seems to me that a better fit for the emacs project doesn't exist.