How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[mbork]

Hi all,

say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.  How
can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I want
to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not kept
there.  Any hints?

TIA,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
https://mbork.pl
https://crimsonelevendelightpetrichor.net/

Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: mbork@mbork.pl
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:36:33 +0100
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
> which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.  How
> can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
> know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I want
> to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
> run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
> property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not kept
> there.  Any hints?

We have a facility to mark commands as relevant to a major mode or a
list of major modes.  If your file defines a major mode, you can use
this for doing what you want.  See the command
execute-extended-command-for-buffer.  A more general facility is the
variable read-extended-command-predicate.

RE: [External] : Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Drew Adams]

> > say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
> > which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.
> How
> > can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
> > know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I
> want
> > to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
> > run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
> > property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not
> kept
> > there.  Any hints?
> 
> We have a facility to mark commands as relevant to a major mode or a
> list of major modes.  If your file defines a major mode, you can use
> this for doing what you want.  See the command
> execute-extended-command-for-buffer.  A more general facility is the
> variable read-extended-command-predicate.

Maybe also...

Has the file been loaded, so the commands are already defined?
Or are they at least autoloaded?
Does the file use a library-specific prefix for all of its
function names?

If so, you can filter all commands (`commandp') according
to that library prefix.

Re: [External] : Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[mbork]

On 2024-11-11, at 20:38, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:

>> > say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
>> > which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.
>> How
>> > can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
>> > know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I
>> want
>> > to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
>> > run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
>> > property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not
>> kept
>> > there.  Any hints?
>> 
>> We have a facility to mark commands as relevant to a major mode or a
>> list of major modes.  If your file defines a major mode, you can use
>> this for doing what you want.  See the command
>> execute-extended-command-for-buffer.  A more general facility is the
>> variable read-extended-command-predicate.
>
> Maybe also...
>
> Has the file been loaded, so the commands are already defined?
> Or are they at least autoloaded?

Let's assume they are loaded, though if it worked for autoloaded
functions, too, it would be even better.

> Does the file use a library-specific prefix for all of its
> function names?

Definitely not.

> If so, you can filter all commands (`commandp') according
> to that library prefix.

I'm not sure what you mean here -- isn't `commandp' way too general
here?

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
https://mbork.pl
https://crimsonelevendelightpetrichor.net/

RE: [External] : Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Drew Adams]

> > Does the file use a library-specific prefix for all of its
> > function names?
> 
> Definitely not.
> 
> > If so, you can filter all commands (`commandp') according
> > to that library prefix.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean here -- isn't `commandp' way too general
> here?

It would be, if you didn't filter also "according to that
library prefix". ;-)

Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[mbork]

On 2024-11-11, at 22:18, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

>> From: mbork@mbork.pl
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:36:33 +0100
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
>> which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.  How
>> can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
>> know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I want
>> to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
>> run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
>> property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not kept
>> there.  Any hints?
>
> We have a facility to mark commands as relevant to a major mode or a
> list of major modes.  If your file defines a major mode, you can use
> this for doing what you want.  See the command
> execute-extended-command-for-buffer.  A more general facility is the
> variable read-extended-command-predicate.

I know, it's cool, I even blogged about it!
(https://mbork.pl/2021-03-27_The_interactive_clause_and_modes).

But what I'm asking is something very different.  I explicitly don't
want commands related to a certain mode (major or minor), but commands
defined in a specific file.  I know that every function somehow "knows"
where its source is (because it's shown by `describe-function'), but I
want to be able to get that info (for ex., in a function I'd put in
`read-extended-command-predicate', which I knew about, since it's
mentioned in that blog post, but I forgot, so thanks for that!).

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
https://mbork.pl
https://crimsonelevendelightpetrichor.net/

Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

> say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
> which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.  How
> can I get all such commands?

Look for the file in `load-history`, that will give you a list of all
the functions/vars/types/faces/... defined in there.


        Stefan

Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Michael Heerdegen via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> Look for the file in `load-history`, that will give you a list of all
> the functions/vars/types/faces/... defined in there.

Or use the shortcut `feature-symbols', like in

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(require 'seq)
(seq-filter #'commandp
            (mapcar #'cdr
                    (seq-filter (lambda (entry) (eq (car-safe entry) 'defun))
                                (feature-symbols 'MY-LIB))))
#+end_src

AFAIU this will only work when MY-LIB is loaded.  And I dunno if
this is correct when MY-LIB is used in natively compiled form.  The
implementation of `symbol-file' suggests that it is not.


Michael.

Re: How to get all commands defined in a specified file (or files)?

[Eduardo Ochs]

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 at 16:38, <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> say that I'd like to define a `execute-extended-command' alternative
> which would only allow to run commands defined in a specified file.  How
> can I get all such commands?  I know about `symbol-file', but I don't
> know how it works (and it's complicated enough that I'm not sure I want
> to study it ATM;-) - I tried to instrument it for edebug, but a quick
> run revealed only that it's pretty mysterious).  I also looked at the
> property plist of a function name and saw that the filename is not kept
> there.  Any hints?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Marcin Borkowski
> https://mbork.pl
> https://crimsonelevendelightpetrichor.net/
>
>
 Hi Marcin,

eev has some functions for examining the load-history. I'm attaching a
screenshot, and you can try them with:

  ;; From: http://anggtwu.net/2024-find-tryit-links.html
  (progn
    (package-initialize)
    (package-refresh-contents)
    (package-install 'eev)
    (eev-beginner)
    (find-eev-quick-intro "2. Evaluating Lisp")
    )
  )

and then `M-x find-eloadhistory-links'.

The load-history is easy to use with cl-loop after we understand its
format, but understanding its format took me a while.

"Eev is not for adults - and if you're an adult then you will probably
want to uninstall it after a few minutes". More on that here:

  http://anggtwu.net/2024-find-tryit-links.html#uninstalling

Cheers!
  Eduardo Ochs

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