From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: <873bwdmlh0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <878y65mnyz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <003001c50a2a$d9d2c420$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107462909 26516 80.91.229.2 (3 Feb 2005 20:35:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, Per Abrahamsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 03 21:35:08 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwngj-0006zC-PT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:34:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwnu7-0001mS-4i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:48:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwnty-0001ki-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwnts-0001ir-CF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:48:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwnts-0001if-9w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:48:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.184] (helo=tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwngo-0003P5-4V; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:34:58 -0500 Original-Received: from alfajor ([67.71.119.41]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050203203457.NYRW1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:34:57 -0500 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ABAB3D72EC; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:34:56 -0500 (EST) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" In-Reply-To: <003001c50a2a$d9d2c420$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:59:13 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32844 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32844 >> I think it'd be useful to add a warning/prompt when saving, along the >> lines of "set outside customize: saving may not work". With such >> a warning, we could drop the "changed outside customize" state (well: >> keep it internally, of course, but not show it to the user) and still >> know that users won't be surprised when things don't work. > Would not this mean that you would get less overview and that you would > often not get any warning until you tried to save or set that particular > option? Yes, but it's still better than to drop the whole thing altogether. Stefan