From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Shawn Betts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:12:18 GMT Message-ID: <873burih58.fsf@verizon.net> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <01c52c71$Blat.v2.4$400dcce0@zahav.net.il> <423C385F.6080704@yahoo.de> <16956.18953.703708.287613@mail.eng.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111259598 6712 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 19:13:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 20:13:18 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCjNp-0006BZ-SB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:13:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCjeZ-0006Is-PD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:30:31 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny09.POSTED!25c3448d!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.201.123.127 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net Original-X-Trace: trndny09 1111259538 151.201.123.127 (Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:12:18 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:12:18 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129430 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24985 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24985 nfreimann writes: > Giani, > > unfortunately only a small number of users accepting the old fashion > key bindings, I love your wording: old fashion key bindings. As if some superior key bindings have replaced them. What a joke. > The number is decreasing. Its not because Emacs isn't keeping up. Its because Bad Software is corrupting ppl from an early age. I don't think lobotomizing emacs to "keep up" with "modern features" is going to make Emacs a better editor. If more and more people choose pigeon-editors, Emacs users die, and development comes to a halt that's a FAR better ending than selling out to the stooge masses. > cvs gtk2 emacs takes that into consideration. Again thanks you to > the cvs gtk2 emacs developers, the nqemacs people, and those > responsible for the windows version in general. I fail to see how changing the toolkit is going to magically modernize Emacs. Is it just the anti-aliased fonts and theme conformance? Is that *all* it takes to turn a program from crusty and ancient to modern and up-to-date? -Shawn