From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visual cleanup for customize buffers Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <873bjrzfb6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <200601122345.k0CNjx114407@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200601131418.k0DEIld23354@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200601140044.k0E0iaF07171@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137207551 20903 80.91.229.2 (14 Jan 2006 02:59:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luc Teirlinck , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 14 03:59:01 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExbcR-0006XI-2J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:58:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Exbea-0002OD-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:00:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExbeP-0002Mf-31 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:00:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExbeN-0002KE-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:00:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExbeN-0002Jt-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:00:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [18.95.6.18] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExbhS-0006AY-HZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:03:30 -0500 Original-Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 835951E42CD; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:58:05 -0500 (EST) Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:56:19 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49059 Archived-At: > Let me repeat my point of view: > > The problem is not the whole buffer buttons as such; rather it is the > completely obscure functionality of those buttons -- where you really > need to be an expert to understand what they do. Just fix the > functionality to do the "natural thing" (and keep the State buttons > for the advanced/expert users who want finer control). I concur.