From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Arrowless navigation Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:31:20 +1000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <873bakgsd3.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> References: <877izx5e3y.fsf@robotron.kosmorama> <17682.61666.22484.859606@zogzog.gnu-rox.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1158918072 31707 80.91.229.2 (22 Sep 2006 09:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 22 11:41:10 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQhWs-0005Yj-Ja for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:41:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQhWs-0007rv-0f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:41:06 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-10!sn-xt-ams-03!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-03!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-02!sn-post-ams-02!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Fx2rVi8L+6Mp/0qZ20MvdGt0Y8A= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 47 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:141940 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37561 Archived-At: "Vyacheslav Akhmechet" writes: >> Your problem is what ? Configuration problem or just the fact that >> your habits are changed ? :) > Just the fact that using C-f and friends simply isn't comfortable > (unless you have really long fingers). When I use it my left pinky > ends up on the CapsLock. Reaching towards the F key with my left index > finger is ok. P and N are also ok (though they're a bit far away from > each other). However, reaching B is a problem. If I try with my left > index it's too far away from the caps so it's an uncomfortable > stretch. If I do it with the right hand I have to move my hands too > much. I suppose pressing it with the left thumb is ok, but it's also > pretty uncomfortable. > > P.S. I apologize for sending this email to a personal account. I don't > use mailing lists too often. > Are you using a standard qwerty keyborad? Do you touch type? I ask as I use the standard bindings and don't tend to use the arrow keys and don't suffer the problems you seem to experience. However, I have been a touch typist for over 30 years. One thing I do is not try and press both the control and letter with the same hand unless it is "comfortable". So, to hit C-b, I tend to hit the right control key with my right pinky and b with my left index finger rather than trying to hit both with the same hand. With C-n and C-p, I use my left pinky for control and my right index (for n) or right pinky (for p). Possibly I'm just use to it, but I don't find this at all difficult. For the alt key, I tend to use my thumb (as I do for the space) and will often do M-f M-b with just one hand as that is close and easy. If you don't touch type, I would strongly recommend learning - it only takes a few hours and can really help speed things up. As I learnt on a qwerty keyborad, I'm quite comfortable with it, but friends who use devorak and other formats swear by them as being better from an erganomic perspective. HTH Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au