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From: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Subject: Re: [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail]
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:33:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <873b3hssyt.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u4pnx6c9n.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue\, 03 Apr 2007 12\:24\:52 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
>> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:06:07 +0900
>> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>> To avoid such an ad-hoc fix, I must know the purpose of
>> downcasing here.  Do we need just "tr A-Z a-z"?  Or, do we
>> have to downcase also non-ASCII chars?
>
> I think the purpose is quite obvious from this fragment:
...
> My interpretation of this is that smtpmail sends EHLO/HELO command to
> the SMTP server, and then examines the response, which specifies the
> features supported by the server as a list of strings separated by
> whitespace.  For each such feature, we downcase and intern it, and
> then check whether the resulting symbol is a member of the list of
> features known to smtpmail, it adds the feature to the
> supported-extensions list.  Thus, downcasing needs to support only the
> words in the above list of known extensions (verb, xvrb, 8bitmime,
> etc.), which are pure-ASCII words.
>
> IOW, "tr A-Z a-z" should be enough.
>
> Simon, am I right?

Yes, I agree.  The reason is to allow servers to specify the verbs in
lower case, and for things to work anyway.  The relevant part from RFC
2821 is:

      ehlo-line    = ehlo-keyword *( SP ehlo-param )

      ehlo-keyword = (ALPHA / DIGIT) *(ALPHA / DIGIT / "-")
                   ; additional syntax of ehlo-params depends on
                   ; ehlo-keyword

I note that for future compatibility, we could treat this as UTF-8 but
I believe it will cause more failures than it is worth.  There are no
advantages today in doing that, and nobody can tell whether there will
be any advantages from it ever.  So the safest is likely to leave this
as ASCII-only.

/Simon

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-03  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-31 20:43 [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail] Richard Stallman
2007-04-01 17:39 ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-02  6:51 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-02 22:52   ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-02 23:20     ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03  1:24     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-03 21:40     ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-02 17:31 ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03  8:06   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-03  8:28     ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-03  9:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03  9:33       ` Simon Josefsson [this message]
2007-04-03 13:44         ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03 15:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 15:50             ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 16:03               ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]               ` <87k5wt5tnx.fsf@ttnet.net.tr>
2007-04-03 16:21                 ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                 ` <87slbhquuw.fsf@ttnet.net.tr>
2007-04-03 18:44                   ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 16:30             ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-03 17:57               ` with-case-table / ascii-case-table (was: [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail]) Reiner Steib
2007-04-04 15:40                 ` with-case-table / ascii-case-table Chong Yidong
2007-04-04 14:02               ` [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail] Richard Stallman
2007-04-04 14:27                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-04-05 23:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-06  6:15                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-06  6:49                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06  7:15                         ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-06  7:30                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06  8:56                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-06  9:24                             ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06 13:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07  8:01                                 ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06 19:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07  7:30                         ` martin rudalics
2007-04-07 17:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-04 18:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-05 23:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-06  8:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-06 19:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07  9:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07 15:03                           ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-07 17:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07 17:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07 17:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 21:16           ` Davis Herring

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