From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:13:34 +0200 Organization: University Koblenz-Landau Campus Koblenz Message-ID: <873b2qb5y9.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177400145 13162 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2007 07:35:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:35:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 09:35:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgFYt-0004oi-9b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:35:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgFeN-0001RS-79 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:41:23 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-kl.de!cache.uni-koblenz.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dslb-084-063-006-002.pools.arcor-ip.net Original-X-Trace: cache.uni-koblenz.de 1177398815 5027 84.63.6.2 (24 Apr 2007 07:13:35 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@cache.uni-koblenz.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAAAAAByaaZbAAAACXBIWXMAAABIAAAASABGyWs+ AAAATnRFWHRSYXcgcHJvZmlsZSB0eXBlIGV4aWYACmV4aWYKICAgICAgMjAKNDU3ODY5NjYwMDAw NGQ0ZDAwMmEwMDAwMDAwODAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMAqJuBZbAAAACXZwQWcAAAAwAAAAMADO7oxXAAAB jUlEQVRIx5VVWxLEIAjzJh6Ny+WMfm95iKhYu87ObIuEQARb2p+rjEc8P/wBgK3MK2yVbiFZlXYI 1E4kO6UHqIDYNsBjFivHQ2DonllKEFStHYB2TD4mBnqyYID4ryVmhUtOxeTErK68k9XpYfi9bP4P My/5E9WiWswAeVz9x3KEyCUAiF5mDJ5kXIFCa2BoN7k7MQARwbo2Zeg1aHySU212VlXltxJGSlBT xdQSIxOuTdrGAIxQSuGGykvN9aWumB5cJclXwz8Z+ZGQ9oqkRgGgglh89P5hz6EP1NJ7aTvVie3Z b3EettGpvXqYRO5v7c0csbHhZRjviObz4JOwzc9hpkfLbNMzmcvtlnBu2m6NNX6Y2SBJSfk9R7S2 zGOJrtMW5XdCCRfDuknZaEeVsEWkXbirSsca1qrDYKK9MSTn9w5IEEfAcnQyAXoZfS0aSXOVm8PL JytRCkTH9k5v+Er4whCTuwLgE5uP0zGlvwHJJFxqwHQzfGGAfgbwFSD5rH1xOweAvqf0T2u8rh9P LJ2hezyQygAAACp6VFh0Q29tbWVudAAAeNrzCnB1t0rPK9XNSE1M0csqSFcwMjerMDIzBABomgep tDkYGQAAABp6VFh0anBlZzpjb2xvcnNwYWNlAAB42jMEAAAyADIppJqJAAAAIXpUWHRqcGVnOnNh bXBsaW5nLWZhY3RvcgAAeNozqjACAAG7AN1zYDKrAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.98 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dT8GYfZAIXMD3N5Mb8l1SmZ/KJ4= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:147441 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43045 Archived-At: 30ish emacs user writes: Hi, > I'm wondering which age group most Emacs users fall into? How old are > you? I'm 32. I'm 26, but I started using it about 5 years ago. Sometimes I used Eclipse for some Java projects, and although it has some superior features (e.g. the refactoring tools and support for all features introduced after java 5) I always came back to emacs quickly. The thing with those "modern" apps is that most of them have one or two areas where they shine, but a lot more areas where they're far from complete or even buggy. Once I was at a workshop where one guy gave an introduction into programming extensions for the eclipse framework and I thought that I could write any extension to emacs in much shorter time as it takes to only edit the bunch of configuration XML files an eclipse extension needs. So In my opinion eclipse (and Java) are like bureaucracy, whereas emacs and elisp are like "just do it". Bye, Tassilo -- The desire to be rewarded for one's creativity does not justify depriving the world in general of all or part of that creativity. (Richard M. Stallman)