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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: breadcrumbs for Info . . . . . .
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:34:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <873ankqou6.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c8cb71$c26aeef0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:18:02 -0700")

> However, I don't think that the current breadcrumbs approach is a problem or
> that the other (TOC) approach would be better. Why? Because most manuals are not
> deep. I picked the deepest node I found in the Emacs manual (by looking at the
> TOC) as the example I sent. And I see no performance problem with that depth.

When nodes are in different files, visiting all ancestor nodes means
visiting several files that is slow on slow machines/connections.
For instance, the first node in the file info/emacs-4 is:

  File: emacs,  Node: Fortran Indent,  Next: Fortran Comments,  Prev: Fortran Motion,  Up: Fortran

  31.13.2 Fortran Indentation

So to display this node, it needs to open the file info/emacs-3 that
contains its parent node Fortran, and the top file info/emacs-1.

> We have only a certain number of possible heading levels, and it works fine for
> those, AFAICT.

I see that with the shallow structure of Info manuals, most breadcrumbs
will just duplicate the Up: node reference in the header line.

> Remember, breadcrumbs reflect document structure, not chronological
> visits (as they always should). They are not meant to duplicate the
> Back button (`l').

Yes, I know.  That's why I think "breadcrumbs" is an inappropriate name
for this feature.  Unfortunately, it is already too widespread on the Web.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-11  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-10 23:52 breadcrumbs for Info . . . . . Drew Adams
2008-06-11  0:04 ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-11  3:18   ` Drew Adams
2008-06-11  9:34     ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2008-06-11 13:46       ` Drew Adams
2008-06-11 18:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-11 22:40         ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-12  2:01           ` Miles Bader
2008-06-12 22:42           ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13  3:27             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-13  6:34               ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13  8:43                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-06-13 13:55                   ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13 17:17                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-06-13 17:52                       ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13 19:55                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-06-13 20:10                           ` Drew Adams
2008-06-15 18:19                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-13 14:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-13 15:12                     ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13 17:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-13 18:32                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-06-14  9:47                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-14 10:01                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-06-13 13:58                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-13 15:11                   ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13 20:34                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-13 22:11                       ` Drew Adams
2008-06-13 22:44                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-14  9:45                           ` Drew Adams
2008-06-14 16:16                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-14 17:24                               ` Drew Adams
2008-06-14 18:04                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-15  0:27                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-15  7:33                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-06-15 18:23                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-15 19:46                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-06-15  0:28                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-15  2:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-15 18:18                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-06-15  7:55                         ` Drew Adams

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