From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-show-hard-newlines - should not the default be t? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:35:47 +0900 Message-ID: <873an6l098.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214098573 7597 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2008 01:36:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 03:36:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAEVk-0004Q6-Vl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:36:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAEUv-0005LU-Uy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:36:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAEUq-0005JL-Sq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAEUo-0005Gu-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34953 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAEUo-0005GV-6O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:60936) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAEUi-0002UG-JV; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.31.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.31] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KAEUf-0004KI-Pb; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:35:49 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BB4F2F3A; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:35:48 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:55:03 +0200") Original-Lines: 18 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99656 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > I think the default value should be t. I think longlines can be quite > confusing otherwise. The current behavior is _exactly_ like the overwhelming majority of windows/mac/gnome/etc text-entry displays: they treat hard newlines as paragraph boundaries, but do not visually differentiate them from automatically wrapped lines. [Though the difference is usually fairly obvious because of whitespace] There are certainly times when one wants to explicitly show hard newlines, but it shouldn't be the default. -Miles -- Discriminate, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is, if possible, more objectionable than another.