From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: inputting characters by hexadigit Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:27:31 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <873am0fzfw.fsf@jurta.org> References: <868ww3vydn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tzeokrku.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzeogih6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <488020A4.4060601@harpegolden.net> <873am6rb8k.fsf@jurta.org> <87r69oqojm.fsf@jurta.org> <006a01c8ec04$27f3c2d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <86ej5keovj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <48872C97.6020505@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216823411 22507 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 14:30:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ted Zlatanov , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 16:30:59 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLfMo-00072k-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:30:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34016 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLfLv-0004sZ-58 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLfLq-0004sL-Lg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLfLo-0004s4-9g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:29:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45208 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLfLo-0004s1-4f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:29:56 -0400 Original-Received: from anti-4.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.202]:54265) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLfLn-0001Fa-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:29:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by anti-4.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KLfLi-000Pir-Vb; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:29:51 +0300 In-Reply-To: <48872C97.6020505@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:05:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: d0b3bc0b24c4067239780ad28ae5b444 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4424 [July 23 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101310 Archived-At: >> DA> This thread got off the ground because some thought that using an input method >> DA> could be too heavy for inputting Unicode chars. OK, keep looking for a better >> DA> (non "input method") input method, if you must. But please stay away from key >> DA> chords and existing key bindings. >> >> I don't understand why we don't just provide an interactive function and >> let the users pick the keybinding they like. IMHO this is completely >> useless for many users (considering input methods exist for particular >> languages and we've talked about stacking multiple input methods), and >> essential for much fewer people (who need to enter arbitrary Unicode >> characters by number). > > Seems like a good suggestion to me if combined with Juri's > latest suggestion. Do you mean the one based on Stefan's suggestion to use `C-x 8'? It seems this is the simplest thing to do. And one additional key after `C-x 8' to activate the minibuffer doesn't make it worse on usually quite long numbers. After binding `C-x 8 RET' to `ucs-insert' we could improve `ucs-insert' to parse more notations supported by Emacs like "#x..." and "?\x..." and to input characters by Unicode name with completion. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/