From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: inter-client cut/copy paste & Small Caps Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:01:13 +0900 Message-ID: <873ad2msp2.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1237935830 3046 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2009 23:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:03:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 00:05:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LmFfv-0003R9-FV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:04:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48613 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LmFeY-000316-Fa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LmFcp-0002Q8-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LmFcj-0002OF-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:01:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55056 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LmFcj-0002OC-22 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:01:33 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:53456 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LmFci-0005UE-Dq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:01:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LmFcd-0000Qk-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:01:28 +0000 Original-Received: from 218.231.175.8.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.175.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:01:27 +0000 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.175.8.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:01:27 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.175.8.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:EVUHHHtfhuqDoTP3NMEua4iZ1Z4= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-Spam-Report: 5.7 points; * 1.7 SARE_MLH_Stock1 Subject mentions stock or stock related words * 0.1 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name * -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 4.0 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109806 Archived-At: MON KEY writes: > Ignoring WYSIWYG editors (and their clipboard handling) this doesn't > change that utilization of Small Caps on the web is quite prevalent - > in many use cases the Small Caps convey syntax. Simply discarding > this information is prob. not the best way to promote vigorous > utilization of 'The One True Editor'. It is worth noting that Emacs > handles APL char data from the clipboard in a reasonable way. Is one > to assume that the relatively infrequently encountered APL syntax is > considered too significant to discard but it is OK for Small Caps to > be lossy? The "APL char data" is preserved because it's already "character level" information, whereas the small caps info is higher-level formatting info ("metadata"). They are very different things. Because of that, there's precious little emacs could _do_ with higher level formatting data, even if it preserved it -- you can't just insert such formatted text into a plain text document and expect useful results... [I think in the vast majority of cases, small caps are used only for presentation purposes anyway.] -Miles -- Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.