From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bzr switch Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:53 +0900 Message-ID: <873a9iy5ke.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87hby0rgs1.fsf@canonical.com> <87ws6wnlza.fsf@canonical.com> <87vdmfn1fv.fsf@canonical.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246318690 19027 80.91.229.12 (29 Jun 2009 23:38:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Jason Earl To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 30 01:38:02 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MLQQC-0001VU-S2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:38:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42487 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MLQQC-00052w-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:38:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MLQQ6-0004zz-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MLQQ2-0004uB-V5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52239 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MLQQ2-0004u7-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:49687) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MLQQ2-0003np-5T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:50 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F401535AF; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:47 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4384512827C; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:53 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87vdmfn1fv.fsf@canonical.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 5bbff3553494 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111820 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > > In the Bzr world, there's always something new coming up providing this > > and that performance improvement. So there's no point waiting for the > > next one, cause when the time is passed, you'll end up wanting to wait > > for the next next one, etc... ad nauseam. > > I understand what you mean, but This Time Is Different (or so I am told, > in no uncertain terms, by every Bazaar developer I talk to). Who are you talking to? The list traffic tells a very different story. Mark Shuttleworth (Da Beeg Boos) wrote "Thou Shalt Have But One Bazaar 2 Format", and got *lots* of pushback. AFAIK he gave up; the Bazaar devs surely act like that pronunciamento is "inoperative". Robert Collins is *not* on board on "2a", specifically, looms are not included in 2a, which means at least two variants of 2a will be out there in the wild for a while. (Silver lining: looms are usable as a local improvement, you don't actually need them on the server for many common workflows.) Aaron Bentley is *not* on board on "2a", specifically nested trees have not landed, but they will. (Emacs doesn't care, I think, but many projects want nested trees very badly. It will land, not before 2.0, I suspect, but not too long thereafter. This will mean a server upgrade, the formats are mutually incompatible currently AIUI.) Four variants. And counting---don't kid yourself, there will be more. IMO (and that of the Python devs, see PEPs 374 and 385), Stefan is right. You need to settle on a version that's either Available Now or Coming Soon To A GNU/Linux Distro Near You. People who want to bleed can always do that (to) themselves. :-)