From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: No commit in vc? Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <873a1nza8y.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <4B613BFB.2000107@swipnet.se> <87bpgev5bk.fsf@telefonica.net> <4B618AA4.1040403@swipnet.se> <87vdemtk4g.fsf@telefonica.net> <837hr23wrs.fsf@gnu.org> <87eilat62r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83eilat4g7.fsf@gnu.org> <873a1qt32z.fsf@telefonica.net> <83aavyt0bt.fsf@gnu.org> <201001290200.o0T200xh010567@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <83y6jhs2b6.fsf@gnu.org> <201001290940.o0T9e0br025585@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87r5p9rxun.fsf@telefonica.net> <83vdelrx60.fsf@gnu.org> <201001291729.o0THTFam010863@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87ljfgdatj.fsf@telefonica.net> <83d40ssn0g.fsf@gnu.org> <873a1nk2st.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <83pr4rilv3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264878188 5757 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2010 19:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:03:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 20:03:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIb2-0005oM-T7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:03:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56250 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbIb2-0007h2-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:03:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NbIav-0007gx-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50280 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbIau-0007gp-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIas-0007ps-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:56 -0500 Original-Received: from host50-68-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ([79.50.68.50]:48866 helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIas-0007pf-JK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:54 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIar-00023w-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:02:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83pr4rilv3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:44:00 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120715 Archived-At: () Eli Zaretskii () Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:44:00 +0200 Whose business is that, then? People are getting burned by this time and again. It's a policy issue. Thus, the business belongs to whoever purports to follow the (purported) policy, that being, the people getting burned. In this case the people getting burned are Emacs programmers (trying to follow/hammer out a new workflow), so it is tempting to hardcode the resolution of hard-won wisdom in the primary programming tool at hand (Emacs). However, that is not the case universally. I can imagine a workflow (policy) whereby a programmer needs to do several "bzr merge" operations prior to the "bzr commit". This programmer would view Emacs' recommendation as irrelevant at best. By avoiding that recommendation, we sidestep this problem. But turning (back) inward: To stop us being burned time and time again requires our understanding to grow, and that is no-one's business but ours. thi