From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264853536 15662 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2010 12:12:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grischka , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 13:12:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbCBN-0003yt-Ni for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:12:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbCBM-0007dx-Rv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:12:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NbCBI-0007ds-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40660 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbCBG-0007dk-MM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbCBG-0003NJ-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]:44164) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbCBF-0003NB-Vl; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so3117057ewy.26 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=SzG+a6Ndy6DxVpyrTszEbIsng/5LXm/iZjJBW06CWWY=; b=k8+jxCeRASQDXonxwOBSrfwMcDKhproSjGkDEqmi47mVjaUJy+vfuYyaXD9wGP0FSh ctUPArYZLjiWrC+1Oug9DqUTu4T5IAmtgLLjiKYcO64u9EiX58q+Ex6WjJZ7ZFroEHnx 5zS2uRZi+2b0QUNCMsNRECatD+kp3PtKSAb1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=lyy0JPTWIXJfaOkbyU+7MI1+jdEhoZPu3kXtsNyxYTBmjNjvDLhFQKx37xMjyRBtWi a3RT27J2tHxoUs//qFF8KRVG/ncM/koMknOclpitsgaQLSI11tOnepMlcqtHaeXQuPgG Yp/fr5xmN2lTzsoNW4RPEpanyCeBcZiEpGm7c= Original-Received: by 10.213.1.22 with SMTP id 22mr1954888ebd.92.1264853520597; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (vil35-2-82-227-204-220.fbx.proxad.net [82.227.204.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2065235ewy.7.2010.01.30.04.11.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:11:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:46:31 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120689 Archived-At: Richard, > The term "ecosystem" is best avoided because it supposes an amoral > stance. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html for the > explanation. I don't think the word ecosystem "(...) implies the absence of intention and ethics", as stated in this page. It does not implie the presence of them either. I think they are independant concepts, and that a free software ecosystem is an acceptable metaphore because it shows that their is interdependency (in fact free software licence favours this interdependency). Can you suggest an alternative word that expresses this simple, yet fundamental, concept ? -- Paul