From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Native scrollbars? [was: visible-bell patch for Mac OS X] Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:54:17 +0900 Message-ID: <873a15x02e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ljffx7zr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bpg90x1s.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B7605BF.10404@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1266033757 20262 80.91.229.12 (13 Feb 2010 04:02:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Filipe Cabecinhas , YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 05:02:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ng9DG-0002N7-8C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:02:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47043 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ng9DF-0003Xy-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:02:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ng9DA-0003XG-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:02:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48600 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ng9D8-0003X8-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:02:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ng9D7-0007lU-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:02:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:55992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ng9D7-0007lI-Dh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:02:25 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3281535AE; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:43:54 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0F88D1A37B7; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:54:18 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <4B7605BF.10404@harpegolden.net> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121088 Archived-At: David De La Harpe Golden writes: > Emacs could make the scrollbars native and this would make sure > they weren't overdrawn Sure, but then they wouldn't be Emacs scrollbars. XEmacs allows you to use either Lucid scrollbars or the native ones for the toolkit you're using; almost everybody[1] uses Lucid, and AFAICR almost everybody who does care prefers this (actual usage is of course biased by the choice of Lucid as default). I suspect that going to native scrollbars would annoy a lot of users. Footnotes: [1] Of those who submit build reports, as well as my more or less inaccurate memory of list posts etc.