From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:16:08 +0900 Message-ID: <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268540188 7668 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2010 04:16:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, rms@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 14 05:16:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqfFW-00040v-Qz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:16:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50576 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqfFV-0006Vz-VC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:16:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NqfFR-0006V0-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:16:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42396 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqfFP-0006TQ-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:16:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqfFO-0002q8-Fo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:44708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqfFM-0002pt-7d; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:16:12 -0500 Original-Received: from 218.231.253.174.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.253.174] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1NqfFJ-0004Jj-2n; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:16:09 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6625DDF26; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:16:08 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:59:21 +0200") Original-Lines: 19 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121938 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The problem is with how ``convenient'' is decided. I suspect most > users nowadays will say that having the scroll bar on the right is the > most ``convenient''. They may, but I suspect they can't actually say why... The Emacs' position, whether one agrees with it or not, is actually based on some reasoning. [Thank god at least some of the hoary old artifacts of the original macintosh GUI have been revised in recent years, e.g. fixed-size scroll thumbs!] -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.