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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122406 Archived-At: On Thu, Mar 18 2010, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> In Emacsen without zmacs-regions/transient-mark-mode on, I agree >> strongly. In Emacs with t-m-m, I disagree strongly. > >> Yes, veteran users will find the change in defaults (both t-m-m and >> delsel, whether simultaneously or sequentially) an irritating >> distraction. There should be a way for veterans to tell Emacs "Read >> my lips: No New UI Features", but sadly enough, there isn't. But vets >> know how to turn off such annoyances quickly and permanently. > > Do they? How do we know there aren't lots of "veteran" users who don't > really know how to configure the thing? I have been using Emacs since 1987, but I do not know if I qualify to be a veteran by that criteria. Until I read this thread, I had noticed that large chunks of my buffers disappeared on me, but had not yet narrowed down what was causing this. I had even resorted to using vim instead. Shouldn't changes in default behaviour come with obvious instructions on how to revert things, like in the NEWS file? manoj -- Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Manoj Srivastava 4096R/C5779A1C E37E 5EC5 2A01 DA25 AD20 05B6 CF48 9438 C577 9A1C