emacs and awesome

emacs and awesome

[henry atting]

 Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
 xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
 try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
 xmonad with awesome again. 
 
 I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
 question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
 like me, unwilling to learn lua)

 Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
 always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
 so maybe it's an emacs problem.
 
 There is an option, `c.honorsizehints = true', but this does not
 change anything. AFAIK it only handles the gap *between* windows.

 I'm thankful for any hint.

henry

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Re: emacs and awesome

[Andreas Politz]

henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:

>  Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
>  xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
>  try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
>  xmonad with awesome again. 
>  
>  I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
>  question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
>  like me, unwilling to learn lua)

One of the earlier awesome versions had this as a feature. Something
like ,,easy configuration - no need to learn another language (like Lua)''.

>
>  Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
>  always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
>  so maybe it's an emacs problem.
>
I use xmonad and also had the same problems.  But they are fixed
somewhere between 23.1.1 (debian testing) and 23.1.90.

You either have to wait for your distro to catch up, build Emacs
yourself or use one of the updated packages from some site, if
available.

>  There is an option, `c.honorsizehints = true', but this does not
>  change anything. AFAIK it only handles the gap *between* windows.
>
>  I'm thankful for any hint.
>
> henry

-ap

Re: emacs and awesome

[henry atting]

On Mi, Mär 31 2010, Andreas Politz wrote:

> henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:
>
>>  Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
>>  xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
>>  try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
>>  xmonad with awesome again. 
>>  
>>  I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
>>  question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
>>  like me, unwilling to learn lua)
>
> One of the earlier awesome versions had this as a feature. Something
> like ,,easy configuration - no need to learn another language (like Lua)''.

Yes, those days are sadly gone.

>>
>>  Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
>>  always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
>>  so maybe it's an emacs problem.
>>
> I use xmonad and also had the same problems.  But they are fixed
> somewhere between 23.1.1 (debian testing) and 23.1.90.
>
> You either have to wait for your distro to catch up, build Emacs
> yourself or use one of the updated packages from some site, if
> available.
>

Mmh, with xmonad I never had this problem. My last emacs build is not
older than about 10 days. (GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1)
Last time I used awesome, one year ago or so, I had the same problem
with the emacs version at that time. Strange...

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Re: emacs and awesome

[Andreas Politz]

henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:

> On Mi, Mär 31 2010, Andreas Politz wrote:
>
>> henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:
[...]
>>>
>>>  Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
>>>  always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
>>>  so maybe it's an emacs problem.
>>>
>> I use xmonad and also had the same problems.  But they are fixed
>> somewhere between 23.1.1 (debian testing) and 23.1.90.
>>
[...]
>>
>
> Mmh, with xmonad I never had this problem. My last emacs build is not
> older than about 10 days. (GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1)
> Last time I used awesome, one year ago or so, I had the same problem
> with the emacs version at that time. Strange...

No, your problem actually sounds a bit different compared to what I
experienced.

I'm assuming you're not talking about the mini-buffer ;).  Does the gap
change when you (de-)activate the menu or toolbar, or when you change
the font-size ?  The problem I was refering to, had something to do with
Emacs ,,forgetting'' to resize itself in this circumstances.

-ap

Re: emacs and awesome

[despen]

henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:

>  Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
>  xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
>  try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
>  xmonad with awesome again. 
>  
>  I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
>  question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
>  like me, unwilling to learn lua)
>
>  Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
>  always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
>  so maybe it's an emacs problem.
>  
>  There is an option, `c.honorsizehints = true', but this does not
>  change anything. AFAIK it only handles the gap *between* windows.
>
>  I'm thankful for any hint.

Hint is the right word.
Use the xprop command to take a look at the size hints on an Emacs
window, here are mine:

WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                program specified minimum size: 40 by 40
                program specified resize increment: 10 by 20
                program specified base size: 20 by 0
                window gravity: NorthWest


So, Emacs is telling the window manager that when Emacs is resized,
it wants to be resized in multiples of 10x20 pixels.

Hence the gap you see.

If the WM supports what you want, it would be more like
honorsizehints=false.

Re: emacs and awesome

[henry atting]

On Mi, Mär 31 2010, despen@verizon.net wrote:

> henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> writes:
>
>>  Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
>>  xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
>>  try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
>>  xmonad with awesome again. 
>>  
>>  I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
>>  question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
>>  like me, unwilling to learn lua)
>>
>>  Okay, when I set emacs to fullscreen, at the bottom of the screen
>>  always remains a small gap. No other programm shows this behaviour,
>>  so maybe it's an emacs problem.
>>  
>>  There is an option, `c.honorsizehints = true', but this does not
>>  change anything. AFAIK it only handles the gap *between* windows.
>>
>>  I'm thankful for any hint.
>
> Hint is the right word.
> Use the xprop command to take a look at the size hints on an Emacs
> window, here are mine:
>
> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
>                 program specified minimum size: 40 by 40
>                 program specified resize increment: 10 by 20
>                 program specified base size: 20 by 0
>                 window gravity: NorthWest
>
>
> So, Emacs is telling the window manager that when Emacs is resized,
> it wants to be resized in multiples of 10x20 pixels.
>
> Hence the gap you see.
>
> If the WM supports what you want, it would be more like
> honorsizehints=false.

Yes, it's `false`

The method to do this has changed since I used awesome the last time;
for anyone who runs into the same problem, see here:

http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/FAQ#How_to_remove_gaps_between_windows.3F

thanks!;

henry

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Re: emacs and awesome

[Tim Johnson]

On 2010-03-31, henry atting <nsmp_01@online.de> wrote:
>  Some time ago I used awesome as my window manager but then switched to
>  xmonad for I wanted not to deal with lua. Now I gave awesome another
>  try and as everything works fine `out of the box` I maybe replace
>  xmonad with awesome again. 
>  
>  I know some people in this group use awesome as well so I put my
>  question here (I found the awesome community too elite for someone
>  like me, unwilling to learn lua)

  This is the first that I have heard of either awesome or xmonad, and I
	have no problem learning a little lua.

	I have a question: 
	
	Will either of the above support a clipboard manager like parcellite
	or klipboard or do either have a clipboard manager of their own?

  thanks

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Re: emacs and awesome

[José A. Romero L.]

On 1 Kwi, 03:40, Tim Johnson <t...@johnsons-web.com> wrote:
> On 2010-03-31, henry atting <nsmp...@online.de> wrote:
(...)
>         Will either of the above support a clipboard manager like parcellite
>         or klipboard or do either have a clipboard manager of their own?
(...)

I've been happily using parcellite  in awesome for months now (if not
years). Works great.

Cheers,
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