From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:28:44 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <8739x2vehv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291827875 23651 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 17:04:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 18:04:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNRO-0004mn-QK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:04:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQNRO-00071T-3J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:04:30 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!newsserver.news.garr.it!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.ision.net!newsfeed2.easynews.net!ision!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HvrF4trHSqKSRUiWt5KTzFwCLq4= Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 04 Jun 2010 20:28:45 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 48bf5772.newsspool4.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=@?DEQ=DOQNOX36K@\WTHGJ4IUK5MOK`\Vb8d>F Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178645 comp.emacs:99904 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75663 Archived-At: Mark Crispin writes: > On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Uday S Reddy posted: >> Having used Emacs for some 30 years myself, I always expect a few >> surprises with a new major version of Emacs. > > Why should users expect surprises? > >> It takes me a few months to read through all the change logs and the >> new manual sections to become comfortable with all the new and >> changed features. > > Why should users - who presumably have work to do - be obliged to do > this? Why should they install newer versions if they don't want things to change? >> I also discovered that there is an Options -> Customize -> New >> Options menu > > I turned off that stupid menu years ago. I need every screen line. I > want to use emacs, not MS Word. Why don't you get and install a suitably old version and stay with it? > It does no good whatsoever to tell me that I should get used to the > change. Other machines don't have that change. Some are still in > emacs 18. Others are bleeding edge. Install Emacs 18 everywhere and you are finished. > I should not have to customize emacs so that CTRL/A, CTRL/E, CTRL/N, > and CTRL/P continue to work the way they've done since the mid-1970s. Install a version of Emacs from the mid-1970s, and you get the behavior of Emacs from the mid-1970s. What is so hard about that? -- David Kastrup