From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Flipping url-show-status default Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:21:52 -0400 Message-ID: <8739speepr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87fwwpkchk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sk0phicy.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285971722 23143 80.91.229.12 (1 Oct 2010 22:22:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 22:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 00:22:01 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P1nzM-0005B8-I7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:22:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49233 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P1nzM-0004P2-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56662 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P1nzG-0004Ox-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:21:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1nzE-00079a-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po40.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.103]:45567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1nzE-00079V-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014154.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po40.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o91MLq6p007351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 994BBC018; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:21:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87sk0phicy.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:34:53 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131197 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > Why not show something if the connection is hung, which is the > exceptional case? % completed, byte count, and MIME type are completely > useless information in the vast majority of the use cases. So I would > make it `show-url-status' a choice of nil, t, or 'error with 'error > being the default. I think it makes sense to eliminate (by default) most of those messages except for percent complete, and to report the latter using the standard Emacs progress-reporter mechanism. > The "wait" cursor is not a good indicator for data retrieval. Maybe the > mode line can be updated with a numeric indicator like line-number-mode? > It doesn't even have to be a number. A pulsating icon to indicate an > ongoing transfer would look good; it can have an overlaid A/T to > indicate the number of active and total (active+hung) connections. In > text mode this can be done with spinning bars or something equally > obnoxious :) If anyone wants to improve the progress reporter, feel free. One idea I've had is for it to use the background of the echo area as a progress bar (this will need some redisplay hacking, of course).