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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:35:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8739pqudz7.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 86126496-de72-4e5c-9443-5cfce30f28ab@15g2000vbz.googlegroups.com

Elena <egarrulo@gmail.com> writes:

> No need to bring in the bigger guns.  It could just be some scheduled
> activity by who-knows what package.  If Emacs Lisp had both a tracing
> and a profiling utility, I would have squashed the bug already.

It has.  trace-function and elp.


>> This is not my experience.  What I observe, is that emacs has an uptime
>> only limited by the uptime of the underlying system.
>
> "emacs -Q" is effective in deciding whether something comes from
> Emacs' default behavior or from some package.  Once you have decided
> it must be some package, that's the hairy part where Emacs debugging
> tools aren't up to the task.  

No, that's the easy part: you have all the sources available, you have
an embedded debugger, tracer, profiler, documentation, editor, a while
integrated lisp developping environment.

> That's why I have said that users have
> pushed Emacs beyond its capabilities:  IDE, mail-reader... guys, here
> we have just a simple text editor which doesn't pretend to by anything
> else.

No.  emacs is a lisp machine, and like any computer, you stack on it an
OS, a user interface, a shell, an editor, and all kinds of applications
and utilities.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-22 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-20 11:39 c/c++ project management and debugging Rajinder Yadav
2010-12-20 13:47 ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-20 15:52   ` Suvayu Ali
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1.1292860380.13743.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-20 16:36     ` despen
2010-12-20 17:00       ` Jason Earl
2010-12-21  0:23   ` Rajinder Yadav
2010-12-21  1:28     ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-21 12:00       ` Rajinder Yadav
2010-12-21 12:30         ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-21 12:27       ` Rajinder Yadav
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3.1292932824.3904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-21 13:10         ` Elena
2010-12-21 13:35           ` Elena
2010-12-21 14:06             ` Andrea Crotti
     [not found]             ` <mailman.5.1292940435.31822.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-21 14:25               ` Richard Riley
2010-12-21 20:26               ` Elena
2010-12-21 21:43                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22  8:19                   ` Elena
2010-12-22 15:54                   ` Richard Riley
2010-12-23  0:45                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-23  8:34                       ` Elena
2010-12-23  8:38                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-23  8:50                           ` Elena
2010-12-23 13:07                       ` Richard Riley
2010-12-23 13:32                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-23 14:33                           ` Richard Riley
2010-12-23 13:35                         ` Elena
2010-12-24  5:42                         ` rusi
2010-12-24  8:58                         ` Gary
2010-12-24  9:05                         ` Gary
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.9.1293181132.17958.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-24 11:09                           ` Richard Riley
2010-12-24 11:35                             ` Elena
2011-01-10 10:07                             ` Gary
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.4.1294654218.11614.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-10 11:04                               ` Richard Riley
2011-01-10 12:37                                 ` Gary
2011-01-10 12:55                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2011-01-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Riley
2011-01-10 14:54                                     ` Le Wang
2011-01-10 15:30                                       ` Gary
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.7.1294673476.7472.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-10 16:18                                         ` Richard Riley
2011-01-11  7:20                                           ` Gary
2011-01-11 16:55                                           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.0.1294764952.30016.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-11 17:56                                             ` rusi
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.5.1294671316.7472.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-10 15:24                                       ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.11.1293181565.17958.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-24 11:12                           ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.13.1293183850.17958.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-24 11:15                           ` Richard Riley
2010-12-21 23:09                 ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-21 21:42               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-21 14:30           ` Rajinder Yadav
     [not found]           ` <mailman.0.1292941865.1790.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-21 14:52             ` Richard Riley
2010-12-21 16:42               ` Rajinder Yadav
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3.1292949766.3175.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-21 20:35                 ` Elena
2010-12-21 21:51               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22  8:28                 ` Elena
2010-12-22  8:50                   ` Elena
2010-12-22  9:48                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22 10:06                       ` Elena
2010-12-22 10:22                         ` Elena
2010-12-22 10:58                           ` Andrea Crotti
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2.1293015509.3728.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-22 11:16                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22 12:38                               ` Elena
2010-12-22 13:32                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22 13:51                                   ` Elena
2010-12-22 15:09                                     ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-22 15:53                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22 15:09                                 ` Helmut Eller
2010-12-22 21:46                                   ` Elena
2010-12-22 10:25                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22 12:34                           ` Elena
2010-12-22 13:04                             ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-22 13:35                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.8.1293023060.3728.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-22 13:29                               ` Elena
2010-12-22 14:12                                 ` Andrea Crotti
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3.1293027192.25158.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-22 14:43                                   ` Elena
2010-12-22 15:46                                     ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-23 12:35                               ` Elena
2010-12-23 13:01                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-12-24 11:38                                 ` Andrea Crotti
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.2.1293190750.15516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-24 12:55                                   ` Richard Riley
2010-12-24 14:18                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-24 14:32                                       ` Richard Riley
2010-12-25 16:17                                       ` rusi
2010-12-25 17:12                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-22  9:57                     ` Andrea Crotti
2010-12-21 21:47             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-12-21 13:44         ` despen
2010-12-21 14:27           ` Richard Riley
2010-12-21 19:08         ` Jason Earl
2010-12-21 20:41           ` Elena
     [not found]   ` <mailman.14.1292891000.3394.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-21  5:13     ` Jason Earl
2010-12-21 14:36       ` Rajinder Yadav
2010-12-21 14:40         ` Rajinder Yadav
     [not found] <mailman.7.1292845153.32310.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-12-20 12:36 ` Elena
2011-01-11  8:55   ` Dmitriy Igrishin

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