From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <8739jogwf9.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307285773 8623 80.91.229.12 (5 Jun 2011 14:56:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:56:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 05 16:56:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEkI-0006fl-D9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:56:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49093 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEkH-0001dp-AF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEju-0001d3-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:55:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEjp-0003Ms-3T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:55:42 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:38946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEjo-0003Mo-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:55:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QTEjl-0006Sj-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:55:33 +0200 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:55:33 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:55:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Mxv1yNaWGkRH/HgFskIFq5x8vaE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140197 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:48:50 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> 1) smtpmail would see that there's no host setup, so it would prompt the LMI> user for the SMTP host and store it via customize. What if I want to put the host and port in my ~/.authinfo? LMI> 2) smtpmail connects to the server, and possibly does STARTTLS LMI> III) It sees whether the server says that it accepts AUTH or not. If it LMI> does, smtpmail then asks auth-source for credentials. There will be LMI> none there, probably LMI> d) smtpmail does MAIL FROM, RCPT TO and DATA, and sees whether that was LMI> successful. If it is, we're done. LMI> 5) If we get a 5xx relay denied, we then ask auth-source to query the LMI> user for user name and password, and then gives the server the AUTH, and LMI> try again. If it's successful, we're done. If not, we give up. LMI> Subsequent mails will be similar, only that we will know that we have LMI> auth, so we do AUTH immediately. LMI> I think we can pretty much get away with zero conf here. ...as long as there's a way to avoid steps tres through пет with some external setting; I would like it if I could explicitly say "go ahead and query auth-source for everything from the start" because I store the login, password, and port for my SMTP hosts. Then the 5xx errors can be avoided. Ted