From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11999: 24.1.50; New Info file suffix ".info" breaks `Info-find-node-2' Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:30:03 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87394bw5o4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <30361DAB51FE4AC487EBA7C11AACB36C@us.oracle.com> <831uk688pk.fsf@gnu.org> <35D365A3D0D0487CB7928FB2A672541D@us.oracle.com> <83sjcl7b5w.fsf@gnu.org> <83eho325d9.fsf@gnu.org> <83obn5ktb2.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9ynltar.fsf@gnu.org> <83zk6njk51.fsf@gnu.org> <83fw8dk8bm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343543763 15521 80.91.229.3 (29 Jul 2012 06:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11999@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 29 08:36:02 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SvN6f-0007nG-Iv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:36:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42307 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvN6e-0005E3-TT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56473) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvN6b-0005De-TV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvN6a-0000jt-Pf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:35:57 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvN6a-0000jn-Lr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:35:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvNDS-0000x4-6k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11999 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11999-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11999.13435441743641 (code B ref 11999); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jul 2012 06:42:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvNDI-0000wd-NV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:42:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:54680 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvNDF-0000wO-8h for 11999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A41451CB2B; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:35:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:36:07 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:62551 Archived-At: >> Let's take the use case of typing "i foobar" and getting "No 'foobar' >> in index." in response. Whose fault/mistake is this? I tried to type "i foobar" in the "(dir) Top" node and it entered the debugger with: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "The Info directory node has no index; use m to select a manual") signal(error ("The Info directory node has no index; use m to select a manual")) error("The Info directory node has no index; use m to select a manual") (if (equal Info-current-file "dir") (error "The Info directory node has no index; use m to select a manual")) (let ((completion-ignore-case t) ... (list (let ((completion-ignore-case t) ... call-interactively(Info-index nil nil) Then I tried to type "i foobar" in the "(emacs) Top" node and it displayed the message "No `foobar' in index" in the echo area. I wonder why is this difference? I really have no idea how this could be fixed in terms of "user error". > I think it is clearly a "user error". While I think that removing ugly regexps from `debug-ignored-errors' was an improvement, a new function has an unfortunate name. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_error the term "user error" has offensive connotations such as "PEBKAC" and "ID-10T error". For a better name please consider e.g. `error-no-debug'. Or maybe turn the table and use just `error-debug' for errors that require debugging? (I see no harm in having both `error-no-debug' and `error-debug').