From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GSoC 2013 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 13:52:38 +0900 Message-ID: <8738u0lnft.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87txmkt9tc.fsf@tanger.home> <0wsj22aaw2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87vc6xss1e.fsf@tanger.home> <87wqrdjy1j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txmh7aqn.fsf@tanger.home> <87vc6xjumn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <379181EA-3CC0-47CE-B870-C9E5273C34F5@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367815973 26708 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 04:52:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 04:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 06 06:52:50 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZDPq-00062Y-Sk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 06:52:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60679 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZDPq-0008Sq-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:52:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZDPn-0008Sk-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:52:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZDPm-0003vL-PT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:52:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:40047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZDPm-0003uC-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED4970957; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:52:39 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 384091A2989; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:52:39 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <379181EA-3CC0-47CE-B870-C9E5273C34F5@mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159361 Archived-At: chad writes: > GSoC is an effort to help get potential hackers hacking, not to > outsource programming needs to cheap labor. It's both, and more. In particular, it's *not* a mentor-student relationship, it's a project-student relationship, *represented* by the mentor. > Anyone who actually wants to see Emacs get more involved in GSoC > needs to start putting in organizational effort (creating process, > identifying projects, recruiting students, recruiting mentors, etc) > *before*, not *at* the deadline. Exactly my point. Giving Emacs slots is just encouraging its bad behavior. There are a lot of well-behaved projects out there, some with excellent students, who aren't going to get slots. Emacs is most likely going to get slots it doesn't deserve. That sucks. By the way, I've done all that. Project identification wasn't very good (but it was better than the whole GNU Project's ideas page, which is just plain sad for an organization that preens like the leader of the whole free software world, and of course Emacs doesn't even have one), and we deserved to have our org rejected this year.[1] So I know it's not that much effort that Emacs couldn't do it if it wanted to. Emacs just doesn't want to. Footnotes: [1] Google also has some non-quality criteria that we didn't score high on -- we may very well not make it next year, either.