From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: a strict visual cursor in r2l and l2r buffers Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:43:33 +0200 Message-ID: <8738s8lije.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87fvwa5ayg.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es> <83ip15lric.fsf@gnu.org> <87mwqglrty.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <831u7slqp2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Uwe Brauer NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372016651 8265 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2013 19:44:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 23 21:44:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UqqCn-00066Q-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:44:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34234 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqqCm-000796-MT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqqCf-00078n-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqqCb-0001V8-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:44:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]:35282) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqqCb-0001V1-91 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id y10so7958725wgg.32 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mat.ucm.es; s=google; h=x-mailer:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:x-hashcash :x-hashcash:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=3aCdL6zNbP0LbZqtDhuE99EA02UAHVOTfSM3sulX/I0=; b=aRZQd/KK8sgitkUAWMKcO5lV1lQlanAWrj8Lw6PTyvdabCwmumLFXo999vKPzrcFnl xN2uV4LekaJSIIsFIzllN1icQKzztUsK5U+3BF0gTZ7k0f+qsZtbZaklgNRVbQzXY8D9 FHRSiWvuYiWk16tB6xL4vG9/ei3hbOTyXBdLM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-mailer:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:x-hashcash :x-hashcash:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=3aCdL6zNbP0LbZqtDhuE99EA02UAHVOTfSM3sulX/I0=; b=pVufAMlVqbXJCcRG/ErX0PDbDelZimPJsa6CJZQ5yEhUFHKlj1bCfJNgT58bYtlIYV ojAJC1QFKlb3c/HC2/F6GXqIoR2pLYZ1BS+7lkI0UV4U+2mUyfy6tAVWo91CJgKaqetL huShfvIN55ECqXesmiqbSHTOQB74cBklvBr/31J7v+z7NpQaOavwPyBFldzGesL8TvsR gH/rux/+FLak9O+hdf0+xV1j8qFfTwFvPPyS6T593Lw6x+UmewaiV/gswPL7z0jqs6vY mcvGrb1jW453EH9vHLENvpmz5ZQmNlpvmLmVO9klGDo9v3oy9Ah9d2fI1yXBGJp4mxmy lgvQ== X-Received: by 10.180.92.98 with SMTP id cl2mr4078601wib.43.1372016635491; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Burrurr ([85.55.19.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fb9sm11995416wid.2.2013.06.23.12.43.53 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) X-Hashcash: 1:20:130623:emacs-devel@gnu.org::Oge9NssgsJ9Ad0Jb:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001PTz X-Hashcash: 1:20:130623:eliz@gnu.org::PXrnOgDMUppNyjUY:000001Qky In-Reply-To: <831u7slqp2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:47:21 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.5-b32 (linux) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlLaVpA/LpAj7g/vQcvTHtaYMNBZCQX/loH67ErcGjQiCycZ3/KvWN8QmkC95bSXxBg2OPR X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:160918 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> "Eli" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: >>=20 >> > It's possible, just not trivial. Patches are welcome. >> Lisp or C? > Whatever you like (although I think doing this is Lisp will be very > inelegant, if not next to impossible). 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