* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
@ 2013-07-06 9:41 Paul Eggert
2013-07-06 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2013-07-06 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 14804; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen
Tags: patch
Recently Gnus added the 'unexist' flag with some
code that deals with 'unexistent' articles. If I
understand the concept correctly, the usual
spelling in English is 'nonexistent'. Here's a
proposed patch to use that spelling.
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/ChangeLog'
--- lisp/gnus/ChangeLog 2013-07-03 04:15:38 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/ChangeLog 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -1,3 +1,19 @@
+2013-07-06 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
+
+ Spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
+ * gnus-group.el (gnus-group-expire-articles-1):
+ * gnus-start.el (gnus-clean-old-newsrc):
+ * gnus-sum.el (gnus-articles-to-read, gnus-adjust-marked-articles)
+ (gnus-update-marks, gnus-summary-expire-articles)
+ (gnus-summary-insert-old-articles):
+ * gnus.el (gnus-article-mark-lists, gnus-article-special-mark-lists)
+ (gnus-article-unpropagated-mark-lists):
+ * nnimap.el (nnimap-retrieve-group-data-early, nnimap-update-info)
+ (nnimap-update-qresync-info):
+ Use 'nonexistent', not 'unexist', to for marks of nonexistent articles.
+ * gnus-sum.el (gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent):
+ Rename from gnus-newsgroup-unexist. All uses changed.
+
2013-07-03 Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>
* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-from-or-to-or-newsgroups):
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -3657,7 +3657,7 @@
(articles-to-expire
(gnus-list-range-difference
(gnus-uncompress-sequence (cdr expirable))
- (cdr (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info)))))
+ (cdr (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info)))))
(expiry-wait (gnus-group-find-parameter group 'expiry-wait))
(nnmail-expiry-target
(or (gnus-group-find-parameter group 'expiry-target)
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -2307,7 +2307,7 @@
(defun gnus-clean-old-newsrc (&optional force)
(when gnus-newsrc-file-version
;; Remove totally bogus `unexists' entries. The name is
- ;; `unexist'.
+ ;; `nonexistent'.
(dolist (info (cdr gnus-newsrc-alist))
(let ((exist (assoc 'unexists (gnus-info-marks info))))
(when exist
@@ -2318,7 +2318,7 @@
(gnus-continuum-version "Ma Gnus v0.03")))
;; Remove old `exist' marks from old nnimap groups.
(dolist (info (cdr gnus-newsrc-alist))
- (let ((exist (assoc 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info))))
+ (let ((exist (assoc 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info))))
(when exist
(gnus-info-set-marks
info (delete exist (gnus-info-marks info)))))))))
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el 2013-07-03 04:15:38 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -1524,8 +1524,8 @@
(defvar gnus-newsgroup-seen nil
"Range of seen articles in the current newsgroup.")
-(defvar gnus-newsgroup-unexist nil
- "Range of unexistent articles in the current newsgroup.")
+(defvar gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent nil
+ "Range of nonexistent articles in the current newsgroup.")
(defvar gnus-newsgroup-articles nil
"List of articles in the current newsgroup.")
@@ -1574,7 +1574,7 @@
gnus-newsgroup-killed
gnus-newsgroup-unseen
gnus-newsgroup-seen
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent
gnus-newsgroup-cached
gnus-newsgroup-downloadable
gnus-newsgroup-undownloaded
@@ -5822,7 +5822,7 @@
(gnus-sorted-nunion
(gnus-sorted-union gnus-newsgroup-dormant gnus-newsgroup-marked)
gnus-newsgroup-unreads))
- (cdr (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks (gnus-get-info group))))))
+ (cdr (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks (gnus-get-info group))))))
(scored-list (gnus-killed-articles gnus-newsgroup-killed articles))
(scored (length scored-list))
(number (length articles))
@@ -5993,7 +5993,7 @@
(> min (car articles)))))
(pop articles))
(set var articles))
- ((eq mark 'unexist)
+ ((eq mark 'nonexistent)
(set var (cdr marks)))))))))
(defun gnus-update-missing-marks (missing)
@@ -6071,7 +6071,7 @@
(push (list del 'del (list (cdr type))) delta-marks))))
(when (or list
- (eq (cdr type) 'unexist))
+ (eq (cdr type) 'nonexistent))
(push (cons (cdr type) list) newmarked)))
(when delta-marks
@@ -10327,7 +10327,7 @@
(gnus-list-of-read-articles gnus-newsgroup-name))
(setq gnus-newsgroup-expirable
(sort gnus-newsgroup-expirable '<)))
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist))
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent))
(expiry-wait (if now 'immediate
(gnus-group-find-parameter
gnus-newsgroup-name 'expiry-wait)))
@@ -12862,7 +12862,7 @@
;; Use a compressed range to avoid creating a huge list.
(gnus-range-difference
(gnus-range-difference (list gnus-newsgroup-active) old)
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist))
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent))
(setq len (gnus-range-length older))
(cond
((null older) nil)
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -2636,11 +2636,11 @@
(scored . score) (saved . save)
(cached . cache) (downloadable . download)
(unsendable . unsend) (forwarded . forward)
- (seen . seen) (unexist . unexist)))
+ (seen . seen) (nonexistent . nonexistent)))
(defconst gnus-article-special-mark-lists
'((seen range)
- (unexist range)
+ (nonexistent range)
(killed range)
(bookmark tuple)
(uid tuple)
@@ -2655,7 +2655,7 @@
;; `score' is not a proper mark
;; `bookmark': don't propagated it, or fix the bug in update-mark.
(defconst gnus-article-unpropagated-mark-lists
- '(seen cache download unsend score bookmark unexist)
+ '(seen cache download unsend score bookmark nonexistent)
"Marks that shouldn't be propagated to back ends.
Typical marks are those that make no sense in a standalone back end,
such as a mark that says whether an article is stored in the cache
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/nnimap.el'
--- lisp/gnus/nnimap.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/nnimap.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -1288,7 +1288,7 @@
(setf (nnimap-initial-resync nnimap-object) 0)
(let ((qresyncp (nnimap-capability "QRESYNC"))
params groups sequences active uidvalidity modseq group
- unexist)
+ nonexistent)
;; Go through the infos and gather the data needed to know
;; what and how to request the data.
(dolist (info infos)
@@ -1296,7 +1296,7 @@
group (nnimap-decode-gnus-group
(gnus-group-real-name (gnus-info-group info)))
active (cdr (assq 'active params))
- unexist (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info))
+ nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info))
uidvalidity (cdr (assq 'uidvalidity params))
modseq (cdr (assq 'modseq params)))
(setf (nnimap-examined nnimap-object) group)
@@ -1304,7 +1304,7 @@
uidvalidity
active
modseq
- unexist)
+ nonexistent)
(push
(list (nnimap-send-command "EXAMINE %S (%s (%s %s))"
(utf7-encode group t)
@@ -1323,7 +1323,7 @@
;; is read-only or not.
"SELECT"))
start)
- (if (and active uidvalidity unexist)
+ (if (and active uidvalidity nonexistent)
;; Fetch the last 100 flags.
(setq start (max 1 (- (cdr active) 100)))
(incf (nnimap-initial-resync nnimap-object))
@@ -1506,24 +1506,24 @@
(when new-marks
(push (cons (car type) new-marks) marks)))))
;; Keep track of non-existing articles.
- (let* ((old-unexists (assq 'unexist marks))
+ (let* ((old-nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent marks))
(active (gnus-active group))
- (unexists
+ (nonexistent
(if completep
(gnus-range-difference
active
(gnus-compress-sequence existing))
(gnus-add-to-range
- (cdr old-unexists)
+ (cdr old-nonexistent)
(gnus-list-range-difference
existing (gnus-active group))))))
(when (> (car active) 1)
- (setq unexists (gnus-range-add
- (cons 1 (1- (car active)))
- unexists)))
- (if old-unexists
- (setcdr old-unexists unexists)
- (push (cons 'unexist unexists) marks)))
+ (setq nonexistent (gnus-range-add
+ (cons 1 (1- (car active)))
+ nonexistent)))
+ (if old-nonexistent
+ (setcdr old-nonexistent nonexistent)
+ (push (cons 'nonexistent nonexistent) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))))
;; Tell Gnus whether there are any \Recent messages in any of
;; the groups.
@@ -1568,13 +1568,13 @@
(when ticks
(push (cons (car type) ticks) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))
- ;; Add vanished to the list of unexisting articles.
+ ;; Add vanished to the list of nonexistent articles.
(when vanished
- (let* ((old-unexists (assq 'unexist marks))
- (unexists (gnus-range-add (cdr old-unexists) vanished)))
- (if old-unexists
- (setcdr old-unexists unexists)
- (push (cons 'unexist unexists) marks)))
+ (let* ((old-nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent marks))
+ (nonexistent (gnus-range-add (cdr old-nonexistent) vanished)))
+ (if old-nonexistent
+ (setcdr old-nonexistent nonexistent)
+ (push (cons 'nonexistent nonexistent) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))))
(defun nnimap-imap-ranges-to-gnus-ranges (irange)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-06 9:41 bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent Paul Eggert
@ 2013-07-06 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2013-07-06 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2013-07-06 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: 14804
Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:
> Recently Gnus added the 'unexist' flag with some
> code that deals with 'unexistent' articles. If I
> understand the concept correctly, the usual
> spelling in English is 'nonexistent'. Here's a
> proposed patch to use that spelling.
Well, it's probably "non-existent" or "unexisting". However, I don't
really see much point in changing the spelling of a mark used internally
in Gnus stored-state files. And `unexist' has been in use for a couple
of years, so this would break people's Gnus files.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-06 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2013-07-06 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2013-07-08 14:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-07-09 13:00 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2013-07-06 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 14804
On 07/06/2013 08:36 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> `unexist' has been in use for a couple of years, so this would break
> people's Gnus files.
Sorry, I thought 'unexist' was a more recent edition. In that case,
how about if gnus-clean-old-newsrc automatically updates the old Gnus
files from 'unexist' to 'nonexistent'? The code already does that for
the old bad seplling 'unexists', so there's precedent for fixing
spelling in this area.
> it's probably "non-existent" or "unexisting".
Those are both English words, but "unexisting" is rare nowadays
(almost obsolete), and "unexist" itself is not English. The GNU Emacs
trunk uses "nonexistent" in about 240 places, "non-existent" in about
120 places (this is more the British style, but whatever), and
"unexisting" in zero places until the recent addition. There is some
advantage to sticking with the more-common usage.
Revised patch follows.
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/ChangeLog'
--- lisp/gnus/ChangeLog 2013-07-06 12:49:38 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/ChangeLog 2013-07-06 22:07:33 +0000
@@ -1,3 +1,21 @@
+2013-07-06 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
+
+ Spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent (Bug#14804).
+ * gnus-group.el (gnus-group-expire-articles-1):
+ * gnus-start.el (gnus-clean-old-newsrc):
+ * gnus-sum.el (gnus-articles-to-read, gnus-adjust-marked-articles)
+ (gnus-update-marks, gnus-summary-expire-articles)
+ (gnus-summary-insert-old-articles):
+ * gnus.el (gnus-article-mark-lists, gnus-article-special-mark-lists)
+ (gnus-article-unpropagated-mark-lists):
+ * nnimap.el (nnimap-retrieve-group-data-early, nnimap-update-info)
+ (nnimap-update-qresync-info):
+ Use 'nonexistent', not 'unexist', to for marks of nonexistent articles.
+ * gnus-start.el (gnus-clean-old-newsrc): Migrate old-spelling
+ 'unexist' marks to the new spelling 'nonexistent'.
+ * gnus-sum.el (gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent):
+ Rename from gnus-newsgroup-unexist. All uses changed.
+
2013-07-05 David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
* auth-source.el (auth-source-netrc-parse-one): Allow empty strings in
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-group.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -3657,7 +3657,7 @@
(articles-to-expire
(gnus-list-range-difference
(gnus-uncompress-sequence (cdr expirable))
- (cdr (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info)))))
+ (cdr (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info)))))
(expiry-wait (gnus-group-find-parameter group 'expiry-wait))
(nnmail-expiry-target
(or (gnus-group-find-parameter group 'expiry-target)
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-start.el 2013-07-06 22:07:33 +0000
@@ -2306,10 +2306,11 @@
(defun gnus-clean-old-newsrc (&optional force)
(when gnus-newsrc-file-version
- ;; Remove totally bogus `unexists' entries. The name is
- ;; `unexist'.
+ ;; Remove totally bogus `unexist' and `unexists' entries. The name is
+ ;; `nonexistent'.
(dolist (info (cdr gnus-newsrc-alist))
- (let ((exist (assoc 'unexists (gnus-info-marks info))))
+ (let ((exist (or (assoc 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info))
+ (assoc 'unexists (gnus-info-marks info)))))
(when exist
(gnus-info-set-marks
info (delete exist (gnus-info-marks info))))))
@@ -2318,7 +2319,7 @@
(gnus-continuum-version "Ma Gnus v0.03")))
;; Remove old `exist' marks from old nnimap groups.
(dolist (info (cdr gnus-newsrc-alist))
- (let ((exist (assoc 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info))))
+ (let ((exist (assoc 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info))))
(when exist
(gnus-info-set-marks
info (delete exist (gnus-info-marks info)))))))))
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el 2013-07-03 04:15:38 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -1524,8 +1524,8 @@
(defvar gnus-newsgroup-seen nil
"Range of seen articles in the current newsgroup.")
-(defvar gnus-newsgroup-unexist nil
- "Range of unexistent articles in the current newsgroup.")
+(defvar gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent nil
+ "Range of nonexistent articles in the current newsgroup.")
(defvar gnus-newsgroup-articles nil
"List of articles in the current newsgroup.")
@@ -1574,7 +1574,7 @@
gnus-newsgroup-killed
gnus-newsgroup-unseen
gnus-newsgroup-seen
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent
gnus-newsgroup-cached
gnus-newsgroup-downloadable
gnus-newsgroup-undownloaded
@@ -5822,7 +5822,7 @@
(gnus-sorted-nunion
(gnus-sorted-union gnus-newsgroup-dormant gnus-newsgroup-marked)
gnus-newsgroup-unreads))
- (cdr (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks (gnus-get-info group))))))
+ (cdr (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks (gnus-get-info group))))))
(scored-list (gnus-killed-articles gnus-newsgroup-killed articles))
(scored (length scored-list))
(number (length articles))
@@ -5993,7 +5993,7 @@
(> min (car articles)))))
(pop articles))
(set var articles))
- ((eq mark 'unexist)
+ ((eq mark 'nonexistent)
(set var (cdr marks)))))))))
(defun gnus-update-missing-marks (missing)
@@ -6071,7 +6071,7 @@
(push (list del 'del (list (cdr type))) delta-marks))))
(when (or list
- (eq (cdr type) 'unexist))
+ (eq (cdr type) 'nonexistent))
(push (cons (cdr type) list) newmarked)))
(when delta-marks
@@ -10327,7 +10327,7 @@
(gnus-list-of-read-articles gnus-newsgroup-name))
(setq gnus-newsgroup-expirable
(sort gnus-newsgroup-expirable '<)))
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist))
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent))
(expiry-wait (if now 'immediate
(gnus-group-find-parameter
gnus-newsgroup-name 'expiry-wait)))
@@ -12862,7 +12862,7 @@
;; Use a compressed range to avoid creating a huge list.
(gnus-range-difference
(gnus-range-difference (list gnus-newsgroup-active) old)
- gnus-newsgroup-unexist))
+ gnus-newsgroup-nonexistent))
(setq len (gnus-range-length older))
(cond
((null older) nil)
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus.el'
--- lisp/gnus/gnus.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/gnus.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -2636,11 +2636,11 @@
(scored . score) (saved . save)
(cached . cache) (downloadable . download)
(unsendable . unsend) (forwarded . forward)
- (seen . seen) (unexist . unexist)))
+ (seen . seen) (nonexistent . nonexistent)))
(defconst gnus-article-special-mark-lists
'((seen range)
- (unexist range)
+ (nonexistent range)
(killed range)
(bookmark tuple)
(uid tuple)
@@ -2655,7 +2655,7 @@
;; `score' is not a proper mark
;; `bookmark': don't propagated it, or fix the bug in update-mark.
(defconst gnus-article-unpropagated-mark-lists
- '(seen cache download unsend score bookmark unexist)
+ '(seen cache download unsend score bookmark nonexistent)
"Marks that shouldn't be propagated to back ends.
Typical marks are those that make no sense in a standalone back end,
such as a mark that says whether an article is stored in the cache
=== modified file 'lisp/gnus/nnimap.el'
--- lisp/gnus/nnimap.el 2013-07-02 10:38:58 +0000
+++ lisp/gnus/nnimap.el 2013-07-06 09:36:51 +0000
@@ -1288,7 +1288,7 @@
(setf (nnimap-initial-resync nnimap-object) 0)
(let ((qresyncp (nnimap-capability "QRESYNC"))
params groups sequences active uidvalidity modseq group
- unexist)
+ nonexistent)
;; Go through the infos and gather the data needed to know
;; what and how to request the data.
(dolist (info infos)
@@ -1296,7 +1296,7 @@
group (nnimap-decode-gnus-group
(gnus-group-real-name (gnus-info-group info)))
active (cdr (assq 'active params))
- unexist (assq 'unexist (gnus-info-marks info))
+ nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent (gnus-info-marks info))
uidvalidity (cdr (assq 'uidvalidity params))
modseq (cdr (assq 'modseq params)))
(setf (nnimap-examined nnimap-object) group)
@@ -1304,7 +1304,7 @@
uidvalidity
active
modseq
- unexist)
+ nonexistent)
(push
(list (nnimap-send-command "EXAMINE %S (%s (%s %s))"
(utf7-encode group t)
@@ -1323,7 +1323,7 @@
;; is read-only or not.
"SELECT"))
start)
- (if (and active uidvalidity unexist)
+ (if (and active uidvalidity nonexistent)
;; Fetch the last 100 flags.
(setq start (max 1 (- (cdr active) 100)))
(incf (nnimap-initial-resync nnimap-object))
@@ -1506,24 +1506,24 @@
(when new-marks
(push (cons (car type) new-marks) marks)))))
;; Keep track of non-existing articles.
- (let* ((old-unexists (assq 'unexist marks))
+ (let* ((old-nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent marks))
(active (gnus-active group))
- (unexists
+ (nonexistent
(if completep
(gnus-range-difference
active
(gnus-compress-sequence existing))
(gnus-add-to-range
- (cdr old-unexists)
+ (cdr old-nonexistent)
(gnus-list-range-difference
existing (gnus-active group))))))
(when (> (car active) 1)
- (setq unexists (gnus-range-add
- (cons 1 (1- (car active)))
- unexists)))
- (if old-unexists
- (setcdr old-unexists unexists)
- (push (cons 'unexist unexists) marks)))
+ (setq nonexistent (gnus-range-add
+ (cons 1 (1- (car active)))
+ nonexistent)))
+ (if old-nonexistent
+ (setcdr old-nonexistent nonexistent)
+ (push (cons 'nonexistent nonexistent) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))))
;; Tell Gnus whether there are any \Recent messages in any of
;; the groups.
@@ -1568,13 +1568,13 @@
(when ticks
(push (cons (car type) ticks) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))
- ;; Add vanished to the list of unexisting articles.
+ ;; Add vanished to the list of nonexistent articles.
(when vanished
- (let* ((old-unexists (assq 'unexist marks))
- (unexists (gnus-range-add (cdr old-unexists) vanished)))
- (if old-unexists
- (setcdr old-unexists unexists)
- (push (cons 'unexist unexists) marks)))
+ (let* ((old-nonexistent (assq 'nonexistent marks))
+ (nonexistent (gnus-range-add (cdr old-nonexistent) vanished)))
+ (if old-nonexistent
+ (setcdr old-nonexistent nonexistent)
+ (push (cons 'nonexistent nonexistent) marks)))
(gnus-info-set-marks info marks t))))
(defun nnimap-imap-ranges-to-gnus-ranges (irange)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-06 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
@ 2013-07-08 14:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-07-09 2:27 ` Paul Eggert
2013-07-09 13:00 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2013-07-08 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: 14804
Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:
> On 07/06/2013 08:36 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>> `unexist' has been in use for a couple of years, so this would break
>> people's Gnus files.
>
> Sorry, I thought 'unexist' was a more recent edition. In that case,
> how about if gnus-clean-old-newsrc automatically updates the old Gnus
> files from 'unexist' to 'nonexistent'? The code already does that for
> the old bad seplling 'unexists', so there's precedent for fixing
> spelling in this area.
Yeah, but `unexists' didn't last that long. :-)
Anyway, I just don't see much of an upside to changing the what symbols
are used in internal data structures. Calling them `gazonk' instead of
`unexist' makes as much sense. So there's a downside (people flipping
back and forth between versions will have to resync stuff), and the
upside remains to be demonstrated.
--
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-08 14:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2013-07-09 2:27 ` Paul Eggert
2013-07-09 13:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2013-07-09 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 14804
On 07/08/2013 07:54 AM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Anyway, I just don't see much of an upside to changing the what symbols
> are used in internal data structures.
Emacs source code should avoid misspellings even in
comments and in symbols used only internally. This is
because the misspellings can cause confusion among
developers, who are the main audience for the code.
I could mark "unexist" as a word that is allowed to be
in Emacs source code and documentation -- but then that word
is more likely to slip into places where it's not wanted.
> Calling them `gazonk' instead of `unexist' makes as much sense.
Actually, it'd make more sense to call them 'gazonk'.
When I look for spelling errors, my heuristics ignore
strings like 'gazonk' -- which are obviously intended
and are unlikely to cause confusion or inconsistencies --
and focus on strings like 'unexist' and 'inaccessable'
and 'chedule' because they look more like English words
and so are more likely to cause confusion.
I could change 'unexist' to 'gazonk', if you like.
That would be better to what we have now, for the
reasons mentioned above. Still, as long as we're
changing it, why not to the usual word?
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-09 2:27 ` Paul Eggert
@ 2013-07-09 13:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-09 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-09 14:45 ` Paul Eggert
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2013-07-09 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, 14804
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:27:09 -0700 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
PE> On 07/08/2013 07:54 AM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>> Anyway, I just don't see much of an upside to changing the what symbols
>> are used in internal data structures.
PE> Emacs source code should avoid misspellings even in
PE> comments and in symbols used only internally. This is
PE> because the misspellings can cause confusion among
PE> developers, who are the main audience for the code.
I disagree for internal symbols, and because IMHO this is not a
misspelling. There is very specific meaning to "unexist" that I can't
think of a way to convey easily by any other simple verbs.
PE> I could mark "unexist" as a word that is allowed to be
PE> in Emacs source code and documentation -- but then that word
PE> is more likely to slip into places where it's not wanted.
I don't think that's a huge risk.
Ted
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-09 13:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2013-07-09 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-09 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-09 14:45 ` Paul Eggert
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2013-07-09 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, Paul Eggert, 14804
This conversation is bringing back fond memories of my changing colour
to color and behaviour to behavior, and Stefan's deadpan comment
(archived in DEVEL.HUMOR)
" [...] As is well known, people who speak American English tend to be
more resource-conscious and try to avoid wasting precious bits
transferring those redundant "u"s. Think of the number of occurrences
of "color" and "behavior" in the Emacs tarball, multiply that by the
number of times it'll be downloaded, stored on hard disks, archived,
...that's a substantial saving."
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-09 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2013-07-09 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-09 14:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-09 16:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jambunathan K @ 2013-07-09 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 14804
Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:
> This conversation is bringing back fond memories of my changing colour
> to color and behaviour to behavior, and Stefan's deadpan comment
> (archived in DEVEL.HUMOR)
>
> " [...] As is well known, people who speak American English tend to be
> more resource-conscious and try to avoid wasting precious bits
> transferring those redundant "u"s. Think of the number of occurrences
> of "color" and "behavior" in the Emacs tarball, multiply that by the
> number of times it'll be downloaded, stored on hard disks, archived,
> ...that's a substantial saving."
I think Stefan meant "people who write American English".
^^^^^
^^^^^
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2013-07-09 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
@ 2013-07-09 14:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-09 16:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
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From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2013-07-09 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jambunathan K; +Cc: 14804
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Stefan meant "people who write American English".
From a logical POV, what Stefan wrote is not incorrect or
inconsistent: People who speak English tend to be resource conscious,
and as a consequence, they avoid wasting bits *transferring* these
"u"s (and presumably, writing them, which is implicit).
Also, thanks for nitpicking the joke, spoilsport.
J
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2013-07-09 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-09 14:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2013-07-09 16:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2013-07-09 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jambunathan K; +Cc: 14804
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:43:28 +0530 Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> wrote:
JK> Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:
>> This conversation is bringing back fond memories of my changing colour
>> to color and behaviour to behavior, and Stefan's deadpan comment
>> (archived in DEVEL.HUMOR)
>>
>> " [...] As is well known, people who speak American English tend to be
JK> I think Stefan meant "people who write American English".
You're right, it's much funnier that way.
Ted
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-09 13:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-09 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2013-07-09 14:45 ` Paul Eggert
2013-07-09 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggert @ 2013-07-09 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, 14804-done
On 07/09/2013 06:42 AM, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> IMHO this is not a
> misspelling
OK, in that case I'll add it to the list of
properly-spelled words, and I'm marking the
bug as done.
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* bug#14804: Gnus spelling fix: unexist -> nonexistent
2013-07-06 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2013-07-08 14:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2013-07-09 13:00 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Wolfgang Jenkner @ 2013-07-09 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, 14804
On Sun, Jul 07 2013, Paul Eggert wrote:
>> it's probably "non-existent" or "unexisting".
>
> Those are both English words, but "unexisting" is rare nowadays
> (almost obsolete), and "unexist" itself is not English.
Searching the web, however, suggests that, e.g., "make it unexist" is
quite commonly used, even where the context otherwise indicates that
people care about language usage.
Wolfgang
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