From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:05:00 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <8738o8fz96.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87pprkbodk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <878uy0fzqn.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381450216 27279 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2013 00:10:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:10:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 11 02:10:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUQJA-0001pp-OY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:10:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51777 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUQJA-0004Pu-4V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:10:20 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:MMPdgqixmNnNYtSM+k562w8ZLdE= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:201664 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93933 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: >> Thanks for that picture. It confirms my personal >> hunchy feel that 20 years ago emacs-vi were kind of >> neck to neck; whereas today emacs is increasingly in >> the category: "Whazzat??" for young programmers. > > I don't know how young "young programmers" are. Lots > of guys start at 12 and they don't know what an editor > or an IDE is, they just code whatever they have, be it > Visual Basic 5.0 (because that's installed on their > parent's PC), HyperCard (ditto Mac), or the BASIC for > their TI-83 calculator (actually, those examples are > probably outdated, but you get the idea). I forgot! The *PlayStation* had a demo CD, with lots of worthless demos for games, but it also had a BASIC editor. I remember you could plug in an ordinary keyboard, write code, and then save it on one of those memory cards! As a kid, there were just so many things to program and the thought never stroke me that once I would use *one* application for everything, and that the interface would be the same, and configurable... Actually, that whole concept was so far beyond me, I couldn't have verbalized it by a longshot. I just never thought about such things... I wonder if people that *still* write code all over the place, are they aware that they are at a severe deficiency? No common cursor movements, search-and-replace, no setting up all the keys, learning everything anew every time they switch IDE, etc.? -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573